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mattianyb
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guys...
#10595176 - 06/29/09 11:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive got 1 cake pinning like crazy, i just took three cakes out of there jars 94% colonized with pins, but the parts that werent colonized smelled really bad like socks or somthing. i scraped those parts off, some kind of contam obviously(maybe sclerotia). what i want to know is are these still able to be birthed and fruited?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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thedefone
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A dirty socks smell is a classic sign of bacterial contamination. Are those areas also slimy in any way?
Also, for the record, not only do sclerotia not occur in cubensis mushrooms, they are absolutely not a contaminate.
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mattianyb
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oh hmm, i need to work on my vocab, yeah i thought it had to do with ergot and claviceps, (which i know all about) no slimey areas. just cut all the parts off. what should i do?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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Rose
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What should you do?
Really, you should start over.
Sorry.
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mattianyb
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well these cakes have pins... is there a way i could put alcohol on it to kill the bacteria? i want to salvage it in someway if possible.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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mattianyb
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might i add it was only on the bottom (now top cus i flipped them)
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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See what happens...
BUT I wouldn't share those shrooms with my friends if you know what I mean. AND I would not fruit them with any uncontaminated cakes.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595299 - 06/29/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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the mushrooms could be deadly now?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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m00nshine
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People have made posts about using a 3% peroxide solution to mist casings with. You may be able to spray the cake with this and have good results. Quarantine the cake if you absolutely want to save it. IDK I always throw out contaminated cakes/casings.
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mattianyb
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thanks moonshine, i just feel like i would be wasting so much time... and possible be loosing out on the shrooms. do shrooms "suck" up toxins like that?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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thedefone
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To my knowledge, peroxide is only effective on cobweb mold.
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mattianyb
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a friend also ate cakes of mine that had the same bacterial infection, only the myc though, he's still alive and never got sick from this.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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Quote:
mattianyb said: the mushrooms could be deadly now?
They may taste like dirty socks...
I wouldn't dare say they will be deadly, but I wouldn't suggest you eat them either.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595346 - 06/29/09 11:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ill construct a new FC for them, and put some alcohol on the bacteria sites.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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RogerRabbit
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595353 - 06/29/09 11:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rinse the cakes under the faucet to wash off the uncolonized/bacteria contaminated areas and then fruit normally. You can't do this with molds, but bacteria is easily washed off and not a true contaminant in the fruiting stage. In fact, it often stimulates better pinsets. RR
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Rose
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That is new to me!
Thanks for the input.
God knows I've seen my share of bacteria... someday I'll try it.
I generally think: If shrooms are growing, they are safe to eat... but it is hard for me to say this to n00bs on these boards.
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mattianyb
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hey guys i just witnessed a strange reaction with iospropyle alcohol and cakes, if u poor it on the cake the myc like completely turns clear... any imput?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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mattianyb
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great i just killed my cakes
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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I dunno...
But I'm now regretting not addressing your alcohol question.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595420 - 06/29/09 11:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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well... there are a good amount of portions on the cakes that arent harmed.. should i still dunk and roll and hope for the best? and its okay, im not gonna blame your for an excuse for me making a stupid mistake.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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Myc turning clear is not uncommon when you shake a jar of grain.
It usually comes back rather quickly.
I have never heard of this w/ alcohol on living tissue...
But if I were to venture a guess, I'd suggest you rinse 'em off, perhaps dunk & roll 'em, and let 'em recover. You may still be in the clear.
This is not my area of expertise. You may want a 2nd opinion.
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mattianyb
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okay but im pretty sure i killed em, theyre mighty blue now.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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Blue is what they do when they're distressed... and they bruise rather quickly.
Breathe.
Count to ten.
I suspect some water will dilute the alcohol... and that will potentially allow for a speedy recovery.
I'd be VERY surprised if all is lost.
Blue cakes tend to turn white again shortly after a dunk.
Mistakes are fun. We all learn from them. Makes us better mycologists.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595450 - 06/30/09 12:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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no no no, its makes me a morbid mycologist , hey thanks for all your help, really im giving you a plus 5 my friend.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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m00nshine
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Quote:
mattianyb said: well... there are a good amount of portions on the cakes that arent harmed.. should i still dunk and roll and hope for the best? and its okay, im not gonna blame your for an excuse for me making a stupid mistake.
Yeah, I say follow RRs advice, dunk and roll, and quarantine. Mist and fan, hope for the best. Also, be patient.
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Rose
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I bet your cakes are pretty drunk right now.

And they might have a slight hangover.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595469 - 06/30/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ha, unfortunately us as humans only have the metabolite in our retina's to metabolize the constituents of methanol... thus we go blind drinking the sanitizing alcohol, maybe mushes are different lol
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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Rose
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At the very least, they don't have eyes.
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Humbled
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595503 - 06/30/09 12:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have had a few cakes myself smell pretty bad and still produce decently.
Let it ride brother! Just keep an eye on it.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595504 - 06/30/09 12:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha BUT they are the shape of a penis... isn't this saying something about life on earth?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Humbled]
#10595507 - 06/30/09 12:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilocelium said: I have had a few cakes myself smell pretty bad and still produce decently.
Let it ride brother! Just keep an eye on it.
thanks man, gold vibes!
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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Rose
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Quote:
mattianyb said: haha BUT they are the shape of a penis... isn't this saying something about life on earth?
But every penis has one eye...
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595602 - 06/30/09 12:42 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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alright cervantes... were getting into the "penis and eyes" talk to much... lol
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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Rose
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You started it.
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xtofury
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I dunno I think maybe you're right about it being not worth bothering with. For starters, you should have done your soak in h202, which is effective against alot of bacteria (and more than just cobweb mold, it might not kill everything but it does kill some things).
The alcohol=huge mistake. The iso is water soluable, as I believe it is a hydrate like methyl and ethyl are. It will become part of whatever is in there now, even part of the mushies when they grow (if they even do at all), do you really want to be eating iso? I'd just chuckem. With zoomies it's better to err on the side of caution than to experiment like this.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: xtofury]
#10595699 - 06/30/09 12:58 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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good point xto, but i dont believe the alcohol would bind, but ide rather not die so i think ill just see if they grow, if not ill give em to the garbagio monster
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
everything i post on this site is fake, i never partake in illegal activities.
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mattianyb
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Re: guys... [Re: Rose]
#10595709 - 06/30/09 01:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: You started it.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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george castanza
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Quote:
mattianyb said: the mushrooms could be deadly now?
NO, healthy fruit bodies are always safe to eat(ime).
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mattianyb
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even if they were dunked in alcohol?
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[quote]Bretdaniel said:
Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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Psuper
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Re: guys... [Re: xtofury]
#10597091 - 06/30/09 10:41 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
xtofury said:
For starters, you should have done your soak in h202, which is effective against alot of bacteria (and more than just cobweb mold, it might not kill everything but it does kill some things).
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No one soaks cakes in h2o2.
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thedefone
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Re: guys... [Re: xtofury]
#10597230 - 06/30/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Dunk in plain water. Forget peroxide, as it's not necessary and will break down in a matter of minutes after you start the dunk anyway. It's a waste of money. Simply rinse the cakes well under the faucet before and after the soak. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Peroxide has a good use to fight cobweb. There is little other use for it in mycology, and it should never be used when cloning because it damages the mushroom mycelium as much as molds, so it hurts your culture that you're trying to clone, right at the time you're trying to encourage it to grow.
Save it for cobweb attacks. I don't even use it in the humidifiers anymore. RR
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