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first time PE's
    #10593652 - 06/29/09 05:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

so i just noc'd some WBS with PE (thanks Ralphsters) and i always here about them being a little finiky and i was looking for any advice anyone has. i've gone through several other strains (eddibles too) without TOO many failures that weren't of my own doing.

on my first go at cultivating (brf cakes:thumbdown:) the place i ordered from was out of my first choice and i said it was ok to replace with another and they gave me Orissa India. all my research at the time said they were extreemly difficult. since the first failure with OI i have had average success. the only strain related problem i found with OI is very slow colonization. other than that i haven't seen what the big deal is.

so is the difficulty with PE just hype or do they have any special needs?

btw, i always use coir/verm/coffee ( 8qt/2qt/2qt ).


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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10593740 - 06/29/09 06:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

They are similar to most cubes but they take longer in most ways.  Colonizing grain is about the same but fruiting takes a little work.  I recommend keeping your sub dry until it starts to pin then start misting.
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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10593750 - 06/29/09 06:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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artizen said:
so i just noc'd some WBS with PE (thanks Ralphsters) and i always here about them being a little finiky and i was looking for any advice anyone has. i've gone through several other strains (eddibles too) without TOO many failures that weren't of my own doing.

on my first go at cultivating (brf cakes:thumbdown:) the place i ordered from was out of my first choice and i said it was ok to replace with another and they gave me Orissa India. all my research at the time said they were extreemly difficult. since the first failure with OI i have had average success. the only strain related problem i found with OI is very slow colonization. other than that i haven't seen what the big deal is.

so is the difficulty with PE just hype or do they have any special needs?

btw, i always use coir/verm/coffee ( 8qt/2qt/2qt ).




All cubes grow in the same conditions, and if something goes wrong during cultivation, it usually comes down to human error.


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Re: first time PE's [Re: Rose]
    #10593763 - 06/29/09 06:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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artizen said:
so i just noc'd some WBS with PE (thanks Ralphsters) and i always here about them being a little finiky and i was looking for any advice anyone has. i've gone through several other strains (eddibles too) without TOO many failures that weren't of my own doing.

on my first go at cultivating (brf cakes:thumbdown:) the place i ordered from was out of my first choice and i said it was ok to replace with another and they gave me Orissa India. all my research at the time said they were extreemly difficult. since the first failure with OI i have had average success. the only strain related problem i found with OI is very slow colonization. other than that i haven't seen what the big deal is.

so is the difficulty with PE just hype or do they have any special needs?

btw, i always use coir/verm/coffee ( 8qt/2qt/2qt ).




All cubes grow in the same conditions, and if something goes wrong during cultivation, it usually comes down to human error.




You are correct PE needs every thing the same as any cube but they do take longer to fruit.
CH

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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10593825 - 06/29/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, from what I have seen, PE takes longer to fruit than most cubes... and the shrooms may take longer than average to mature. BUT the evidence is hardly conclusive. And worst case, we're talking a matter of days.

But that doesn't make PE any more difficult to grow, unless you are extremely impatient.


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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10593846 - 06/29/09 06:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

OK, so the're just slow fruiters then. that explains why so many people say they are a pain, it's the W A I T I N G that's difficult. an old friend of mine used to say, "patients is not a Virtue, it's a waste of Time" i guess he'll never gow anything.

why do you say to keep the sub dry till pinning stage? isn't the moisture and evaporation of it like the #2 pinning trigger, or is evaporation what your getting at?


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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10593884 - 06/29/09 06:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

The substrate I use for PE is just about the same but I squeeze ever drop of water out so it can rip through the sub faster.  It is slow already so if you had it wet it would take longer and let contams set in.
Even a dry sub will pin about the same but it needs moister from some where so mist.
CH

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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10593984 - 06/29/09 07:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It *should.

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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10593985 - 06/29/09 07:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

nice pic.

i did the same thing ( pasturise and wring the hell out of it ) but i found wringing it out had gotten monotonous and sloppy. since i do it after my daughter goes to bed and i get up at 5am for work i always find myself rushing and bailing on clean up. i was doing a lot of it for an outdoor oyster bed too. i had gotten pretty busy at work and handed the reigns over to my wife and she progressively used less and less water. now we measure the water pre-boil. ( 1gal and 2 cups to 1 brick, 2qt verm, 2qt used starbucks ) you need a really tough grip to get one tiny drop out. and the temp holds for a good 2 hrs over 150f. :super:

the trick to getting the temp. right with such little water is to #1- break up the brick first so it doesn't just get the outside. i use a cleaver and just push it through the brick with the grain into 1/4-1/2" thick slices then you can crumble it into pieces. #2 - boil the water with the coffee in it. this also helps since i keep it divied up frozen in ziplocks so it doesn't spoil and it's pre- measured. wet coffee grinds are quite messy.


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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10594042 - 06/29/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well I don't wan't to go overboard on your thread but 2q coffee is a bit much.  Add some gypsum/drywall if you want to bulk it up.  I would reccomend gypsum before coffee anyday it adds calcium/sulfur and keeps things from sticking together.
I am not saying to skip the coffee but 1q is enough then add 1/2q gypsum. JMO
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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10594274 - 06/29/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that's too much coffee grounds.  But yeah, always add gypsum to your substrate if you can. ~Pixie~


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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10594628 - 06/29/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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artizen said:
nice pic.

i did the same thing ( pasturise and wring the hell out of it ) but i found wringing it out had gotten monotonous and sloppy. since i do it after my daughter goes to bed and i get up at 5am for work i always find myself rushing and bailing on clean up. i was doing a lot of it for an outdoor oyster bed too. i had gotten pretty busy at work and handed the reigns over to my wife and she progressively used less and less water. now we measure the water pre-boil. ( 1gal and 2 cups to 1 brick, 2qt verm, 2qt used starbucks ) you need a really tough grip to get one tiny drop out. and the temp holds for a good 2 hrs over 150f. :super:

the trick to getting the temp. right with such little water is to #1- break up the brick first so it doesn't just get the outside. i use a cleaver and just push it through the brick with the grain into 1/4-1/2" thick slices then you can crumble it into pieces. #2 - boil the water with the coffee in it. this also helps since i keep it divied up frozen in ziplocks so it doesn't spoil and it's pre- measured. wet coffee grinds are quite messy.






Add  1q gypsum to that  mix and your gloden if you want the 2q coffee.
It should be fine.
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Re: first time PE's [Re: CH HELL]
    #10598263 - 06/30/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for all your advice.

1/2 qt gyp sounds like a lot but i will try it next go round. my mix comes out pretty fluffy, no sticking at all. how does the addition of calcium effect the grow ( faster, bigger, .........) ? i've used it before but not that much and never really noticed any difference. plus it's such a pain to peel off the paper and grind it up.


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Re: first time PE's [Re: artizen]
    #10598687 - 06/30/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You can buy gypsum at most garden supply stores.
I addition to calcium and sulfur gypsum helps keep your substrate stabilized.
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