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Can reishi antlers become conks?
    #10522853 - 06/17/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So it's my understanding that the determining factors are CO2 levels and light levels. However on my block I have both antlers and conks forming at the same time. Is it poosible to get the antlers to conk out? Or is that determined during the pinning stages?



I was thinking maybe horizontal surface --> antler,  vertical surface --> conk. But the bag in the background seems to disagree.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10522912 - 06/17/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Conks are all about the FAE you give your reishi. You can grow a conk deliberately by having high edges and making sure its high CO2 but as soon as its given lots of FAE, then it will conk, regardless of what stage its at. I've had 'conk' formations ooze all over the surface of a block making pore surfaces ontop without any conk because the antler didn't let it get high enough off the block.

Surface 'conking'


So I took the bag and sealed it up and it covered up the pore surface and resumed antler formation. Strange creatures they are...but they are extremely sensitive to their environment. You could arguably switch back and forth as you see fit...


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10523000 - 06/17/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Conks are all about the FAE you give your reishi... as soon as its given lots of FAE, then it will conk, regardless of what stage its at.... You could arguably switch back and forth as you see fit...




That was my understanding. However, these bags are getting the same FAE and producing both forms (???).

Check out the tall skinny bag in the back of the 3rd picture: the fruits on the right have continued to develop conks (pic is a few days old) and the fruits on the left are continuing to antler. huh? Seems as though they should be getting identical FAE.

I'm thinking of just slicing the sides and leaving the tops of the bags on next time, but fruits begin to form in vitro on the upper surface. I still have one bag sealed that has grown through the filter patch and now escaped!


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10523034 - 06/17/09 11:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes.  Provide high CO2 then move outdoors in humid or rainy weather.

See this :



and this:



Tacky shellacked but I hope you get the idea.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Jef]
    #10529869 - 06/18/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I get the idea that lots of fresh air leads to conks and lots of CO2 leads to antlers. If that were the case all of the fruitbodies on the block below should have turned into conks (or antlers). I think the above statement is oversimplifying things.



What other factors could be involved?

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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10529968 - 06/18/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wow...I wish I could help you with that. I mean..that doesn't make alot of sense. It should be universal by all accounts. I opened a window each day and it made my block-top conk formations then I shut the windows and kept the bag curled over and it immediately went into antler and it was 100% one or the other.

The only thing I know about light and Reishi is the fruit body size/growth is drastically different in a positive way with real light as opposed to artificial. Especially pinning. I have almost no pins, sometimes 0 pinning with artificial where natural explodes the block.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10530784 - 06/18/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Beautiful Grow.

It is a weird situation.  The fruitbody is trying to escape the same gas that it and the mycelium are the producers of.

Is it not possible that at the later stages the CO2 production decreased for  reasons of the Reishi's metabolism or diffused better for physical reasons ?

Unless you were monitoring the CO2 levels, it would be difficult to say, but I think it is reasonable that the farther away from the Block the antler grows, the lower the CO2 level might be, and therefore a better chance to grow a conk. In still air the CO2 level should be highest nearer it's point of production.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Jef]
    #10530832 - 06/18/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting theory Jef, but in both the pictures, the antlers outreach the length of the conks. On the far left and the far right...they have farther lengths.

Though the last picture down the thread here...because its still got a high collar, it should have antlers unlike the conks far above the collar.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10531171 - 06/18/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand what you're saying. THe pics to me look like long antlers with conks on the end, and shorter antlers with no conks (yet).


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Jef]
    #10531223 - 06/18/09 04:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

In his very first picture...he has antlers way out the top while there is conks coming straight out the sides. That implies a odd environment there.

But his bottom picture shows high CO2 in the collar waiting to conk out. Its the first picture (and the same block in the 3rd) that is the odd ball out.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10532094 - 06/18/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I see what you mean. 

Where the fruits come through holes in the plastic, and the plastic restrains the CO2 release, they form conks.  When fruits form on an exposed surface, from which the CO2 for the block must be released, they form antlers.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Jef]
    #10532281 - 06/18/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This whole time I thought the block was unwrapped...now I see it. What a cool concept.

Perhaps this is your answer didjin_d. I'll keep it in mind myself too.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10536904 - 06/19/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm... Perhaps the CO2 coming off the exposed portions of the sawdust blocks causes the antlers.  Almost all of the antlers that have formed so far did grow from portions of the block which were completely exposed  (i.e. not touching any plastic).

Interestingly, most fruitbodies that formed touching any plastic became conks. Those that grew from small holes, as well as those that grew on the top (but against the plastic bag) did form conks (with a few exceptions).

More experimentation is needed...

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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10536926 - 06/19/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm thinking of integrating this idea into my tubs of Reishi I'm going to do tonight. I have 15 quarts of reishi that I need to do something with...so I'm going to spawn to tubs. They are X-Cube tubs so they have holes in them, and they will be left outside (so they will get more fae then indoors). I wonder if maybe I covered the entire surface with plastic at the point of spawning and just have the holes poked...ah...but then there's so many chances of contam at that size of sub. Maybe on small scale first...


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10537007 - 06/19/09 01:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Monotubs seem like a good choice if you want antlers. If you're shooting for conks whatever method you do, I would try to make your growing surface vertical.

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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: didjin_d]
    #10581872 - 06/27/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think that there may also be strain differences in that some strains are more sensitive to CO2 than others, I have resihi that have forced their way out of the plastic bags through a tiny hole they made/found themselves but they only form conks if they are exposed to FAE, no FAE no conks.  That was my initial impression, until I found a wild one which had an antler coming straight out of the soil cover and there was no way that it was not exposed to FAE. 

Hence my theory is that the primary driver of antler formation is CO2 but that in certain circumstances light and strain may also play a role.

Here is a picture of antlers with conks.



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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: solumvita]
    #10591537 - 06/29/09 09:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

what kind of mixture is in those bags? and where do i find the steps to start my own reishi?

help me out please!!!
i am interesting in starting reishi and need info.i am completely clueless right now.what is FAE?


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: REISHIGODDESS]
    #10591560 - 06/29/09 09:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Solumvita, I'm with you on strain specific. My commercial strain always, always has long stringy antlers where my sporeworks strain is got a mind of its own. Sometimes stringy and sometimes extremely thick and glob like. Its also extremely FAE sensitive where the commercial one is less so.

Strange creature this is.

Goddess: FAE = Fresh Air Exchange. I'd recommend you pick up the GGMM (Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms from Paul Stamets. It has everything to get you started and to get you a real good feel on what goes on in the gourmet forum here.). You can also do lots of searching with reishi in your search. There's also RR's video's that will provide some of the best "basics" ground work you'll need to know for gourmet/medicinal.


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Re: Can reishi antlers become conks? [Re: REISHIGODDESS]
    #10591572 - 06/29/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

REISHIGODDESS said:
what kind of mixture is in those bags? and where do i find the steps to start my own reishi?

help me out please!!!
i am interesting in starting reishi and need info.i am completely clueless right now.what is FAE?





I use a mixture of sterilized sawdust/wood chips and a small amount of bran.
Here is another link you may find helpful.
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