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Offlinedansnake
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slow colonization
    #10501135 - 06/13/09 07:18 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

hi, well i have right now 7 rye jars they have been inoculated 4 days ago and they only have small dots of aprox half of an inch i want to konw if its to slow or if they are ok, i think its slow but its my first grow so i coudn´t tell.  they are 3 GT and 4 ecuador i have them in an incubator with a temp of 84F, the grain looks kind of dry but i just told you its my first time please help what can i do?

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Re: slow colonization [Re: dansnake]
    #10501153 - 06/13/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They are fine, congrats.

You didn't expect this to happen overnight did you?

Now stop incubating them. Room temp is fine. While there is a lot of info here about incubators, it is outdated info. At the very least, lower your temp by 5-6 degrees. Incubation causes n00bs a lot of problems.


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Re: slow colonization [Re: dansnake]
    #10501472 - 06/13/09 08:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thanks. sorry to ask again but how can i tell if the grains are dry and if they are dry waht can a i do,or that doesnt represent a problem to it.

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Re: slow colonization [Re: dansnake]
    #10501522 - 06/13/09 08:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Again, start over. Throw out the old grain, and start fresh.

Soak your grains for 24 hours then simmer until they are full to the bursting point (but don't let too many burst or it will become too sticky to shake). Then you know they are wet enough.


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Re: slow colonization [Re: Rose]
    #10589389 - 06/28/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Now stop incubating them. Room temp is fine. While there is a lot of info here about incubators, it is outdated info. At the very least, lower your temp by 5-6 degrees.




Why are you telling the guy not to incubate? Cubensis mycelium growth peaks at 86 degrees. So 84 is about as optimal as you can get without risking going over.

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Again, start over. Throw out the old grain, and start fresh.




Start his project over? You didn't even inquire as to his procedures. How do you know he didn't already soak the grains?

I'm not so sure you should have the TC tag from what I've read recently.


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Re: slow colonization [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10589419 - 06/28/09 10:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that his advice was a response to what you should do if your grains are dry, in which case, that is obviously sound advice =)

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Re: slow colonization [Re: Krayton]
    #10589488 - 06/28/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

His first question was how to tell if they're dry, then what to do if they were.

I just think it silly to tell someone to scrap thier project without attaining more details.

Even if the grain wasn't at optimal moisture content, he could still have a successful grow, and if nothing else would learn from the experience hopefully.


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Re: slow colonization [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10589496 - 06/28/09 10:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Lucid_Euphoria said:
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Now stop incubating them. Room temp is fine. While there is a lot of info here about incubators, it is outdated info. At the very least, lower your temp by 5-6 degrees.




Why are you telling the guy not to incubate? Cubensis mycelium growth peaks at 86 degrees. So 84 is about as optimal as you can get without risking going over.

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Again, start over. Throw out the old grain, and start fresh.




Start his project over? You didn't even inquire as to his procedures. How do you know he didn't already soak the grains?

I'm not so sure you should have the TC tag from what I've read recently.




no 86F is a figure posted in 1 of stamets books which even he dismisses as being wrong. Mycelial growth speed from 75F-80F doesnt change much, above 83F growth slows down, at 86F its 50% slower than what it was at 80F.

In my own grows ive seen very little difference in colinising neer 80F and just leaving them be between 70-75F. higher temps favour contaminants more than it does mycelium.

Jars produce a few degrees of heat, so if you incubate at 86F you coul dbe at 88 maybe higher depending on the size of jar. With bulk substrates heat production can be much more.

OP, grians should look dry on the outside, all the moisture is inside of the grain. Wet grains can cause slow colinisatin.

that amount of growth is normal for day 4, leave them be and shake after 20-30%, the mycelium will look like it disapeared, recover and colinise the rest of the jar pretty  quikck.


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Re: slow colonization [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10589542 - 06/28/09 10:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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no 86F is a figure posted in 1 of stamets books which even he dismisses as being wrong.




Goddamnit this keeps happening to me. I read books only to find out the fuckin things aren't accurate.

Someone write a new up to date cultivation book please!


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Re: slow colonization [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10589656 - 06/28/09 11:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Cube cultivation is a relatively new science. Things change all the time. I haven't frequented the cult forum in a year, and already I feel like some things I have learned are out of date. It is good to review, even if you are experienced. People here are ready to correct you if you are misguided (and we ALL are to some degree).

Even The Shroomery's grow FAQ's are filed with old info.


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