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3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicous.
    #10583911 - 06/27/09 10:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hello fellow enthusiests i noc'd up some pf jars of brown rice flour and vermiculite with some B= acquired from a reputable source. 6 of them showed growth after 4 days and 5 of them are exploding with healthy mycelia grown but 2 have NO signs of germination in addition to an akward looking/smelling yellow piss-like colored substance.

It just looks like the verm turned a little yellow (not the kind of yellow verm is anyways) in certain spots about an inch in size looks about the size the mycelia should be if it were healthy, and has a rather strong pungent vinegar/piss/pickle juice kind of smelling attributes. none of those are exact but as close as i could relate the smell to somthing others can imagine.

One of the 3 suspects has healthy mycelia growth but has a small amount of the yellow spotted substrate  near/under the mycelia that has already produced. this jar doesnt seem to be colonizing any faster than the "healthy" ones but has this questionable substance. I have quarentined the suspect jars from those colonizing with no suspicoius chemicals.

Heres some shitty pix sorry about the quality all i had was my phone.
Not detailed but you can kinda see the weird yellow tint to parts.




Heres the one with mycelia growth as well as the yellow substabnce.

And both of the no germination jars.


Any help/advise would be great from those with more experince than me.
thanks!

EDIT- sorry pix dont work heres the links for each.

http://tinypic.com/r/ic24c8/5

HEres the one with growth and yellow substance.

http://tinypic.com/r/2h5tnns/5

http://tinypic.com/r/2zgdbvr/5

Both un-germinated jars:

http://tinypic.com/r/3321q2v/5


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicous. [Re: hooterjh101]
    #10584437 - 06/28/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see any pictures.

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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicous. [Re: AgarAgar]
    #10584504 - 06/28/09 12:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Those are HORRIBLE pictures. Sorry, had to be said. It's difficult to ascertain what something is by looking at a good picture; with those, no way.

Often you will get a small amount of yellow fluid, (often incorrectly called "myc piss"), which is the mycelium excreting antibiotics. You do not want a large amount of this, but it happens enough to be called common. If that's what it is you are okay. I could see fairly strong looking rhizomorphic growth in one photo, unless it turns out to be a contaminate you are doing well. (IMO)

Key word at this stage of the game, patience. I know you feel like a mother hen, but you need to go play a PlayStation game or something.

I wish I could be more helpful, but you really need better pics bra. I also wish you well. :goodluck:


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: hooterjh101]
    #10584734 - 06/28/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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but 2 have NO signs of germination in addition to an awkward looking/smelling yellow piss-like colored substance.

It just looks like the verm turned a little yellow (not the kind of yellow verm is anyways) in certain spots about an inch in size looks about the size the mycelia should be if it were healthy, and has a rather strong pungent vinegar/piss/pickle juice kind of smelling attributes. none of those are exact but as close as i could relate the smell to something others can imagine.






How many of the jars did you open?

Anything other than an earthy/mushroomy smell usually leans toward the contam end of the pool.

Hope I didn't piss in your cheerios!

Just take it all in as a learning experience if all fails.

Patience is key in the hobby friend.

Good luck to you!


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10584745 - 06/28/09 02:07 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

this should be in the contamination forum.


i vote ban

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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10584751 - 06/28/09 02:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)


Anything other than an earthy/mushroomy smell usually leans toward the contam end of the pool.



^^^^^^^^^
everyone says this...but rr says mold smells like dirt, thats about as earthy as you can get to me.

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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: johnwayne]
    #10584803 - 06/28/09 02:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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johnwayne said:
this should be in the contamination forum.


i vote ban




Good thing your not a mod, this place would go to shit.

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johnwayne said:

everyone says this...but rr says mold smells like dirt, thats about as earthy as you can get to me.




Under my psilocybe philosophy, there is no mistaking an earthy mushroom smell for the plain smell of dirt. I say that there are a multitude of different mold and mushroom smells but the cubensis has a very distinguishing smell that can not be forgotten once you open that first jar of a successful and contam free grow.

Let's not try to nit pick here for the sake of the newbs..whoever they may be..including you. :peace:


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    #10584821 - 06/28/09 02:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10584880 - 06/28/09 03:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: george castanza]
    #10584936 - 06/28/09 04:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

whoa this thread blew up i just posted like 8 hours ago!

But thanks for all the advice im pretty sure these 3 jars are doomed. The 2 that have no mycelia growth the substrates is just beginning to turn from the brownish verm color yo a deeper dark yellow. DEFINETLY doesnt smell earthy or mushroomy but pungent and unpleasent to the nose. I have quarentined the suspected jars from the ones that look healthy to avoid the sick ones from getting any contamination on the healthy jars,

The one jar that is colonizing just as fast as the others but has the small amount of yellow "piss/gunk" on a spot near the mycelia doesnt look to be slowing down at all. If this is contamination it seems the mycelia will overcome the yellow substance and colonize completely. Still keeping it seperate just in case. I want a few healthy jars to birth at least!

ive looked on countless forums and search engines for someone with my situatuion having the yellow substance in a few jars and cant find anything like what mine looks like. Any idea? Guesses are welcomed!


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: hooterjh101]
    #10584942 - 06/28/09 04:27 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I recommend not smelling questionable jars.  No good can come of it.  My motto is "When in doubt toss it out".


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10584944 - 06/28/09 04:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)






How many of the jars did you open?

Anything other than an earthy/mushroomy smell usually leans toward the contam end of the pool.

Hope I didn't piss in your cheerios!

Just take it all in as a learning experience if all fails.

Patience is key in the hobby friend.

Good luck to you!




None of the jars were actually OPENED exposing the verm layer but they are only covered in 2 layers of tin foil the first having inoculation holes and the second put on fairly losely to promote a small amount of gas exchange, but this worries me that the comtams could have gotten in that way.

I dont think its mycelia piss because its growing in the jars that havent even germinated yet. So i dont think it could be a bi product of the mycelia growth for there is none except in the one jar which seems to have healthy mycelia growth.


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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: hooterjh101]
    #10584974 - 06/28/09 04:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

if the yellow looks like grains of sand, its yeast, if the yellow is liquid its metabolites. metabolite get released to fight bacteria, which like warmer temps....are your temps between 72-77 or so?

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Re: 3 Of 8 jars MAY BE CONTAMINATED.. very suspicious. [Re: johnwayne]
    #10586250 - 06/28/09 12:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yes i would say up to 80*F in the day and maybe down to 71 at night. It doesnt smell much of yeast but more of spoiled or fermenting vegetables? its sooo distinct its nearly impossible to compare it to anything. It smells like shit though thats for sure


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