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Looking for a tek suggestion.
    #10583769 - 06/27/09 10:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I am going to list the materials I have and I am hoping that some of the wonderful people here at shroomery will suggest the best teks to use with what I have.

Drill with bits up to 1/2" and one bit that is 3/4".
A big bag of polyfill (pictured below).
Vermiculite.
Coir.
BRF cakes. (I am tired of the low yield from cakes alone, trying to move up in the world)
A tub (also pictured below) 11" high, 12" long, and 8" in width.



Ok, I am thinking some kind of a monotub or something, but I am really not sure. I know the tub is kind of small, but since this is my first adventure without an FC with plain old cakes I don't want to overdo it. So anyone out there in the big old shroomery world who could direct me toward a tried and true tek that can be done with what I have I would be forever in your debt.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10583937 - 06/27/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i would say take your 3/4 bit put 2 holes on each side bout 4-5" up from bottom and 2 holes on each side couple inches down from top. stuff with polyfill. and you have a monotub. Crumble cakes and case with coir if you are determined to stick with only what you have presently.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: zenman223]
    #10583982 - 06/27/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

GREAT! Now when you say "case with coir" are we talking like a layer of coir, a layer of cake, or like mix the cake and coir... and any idea on the coir to cake ratio? Do I need a verm casing layer on top?

As for "determined to stick with what you have" do you have a better suggestion? I am just trying to keep it simple, I am afraid if I try to get to complicated I will fuck it up. I have seen all this stuff about gypsum and lime and all kinds of stuff and to be honest I don't even know what half of that is, or how to get it, or how to use it, and I don't want to mess any of this up. I am ok with cakes and FC's but this is my first big step up and I just want to take it slow and easy till I get the hang of it, ya know?


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10584075 - 06/27/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Just dunk and roll your cakes like normal.  Mist them, fan them, enjoy your yield (whatever it may be).  If you want to get more, your going to want to move up to grains and bulk.  The brf/pf tek is tried and true.  Seems like you are getting the hang of it and ready for more of a challenge. 

The last thing you want to do is case your cakes with coir.  When this was first suggested I wasted much substrate casing with coir, always contaminated.  Coir is nutritious and can be used as bulk medium(coir is not a suitable casing material).

If you want to use a casing, the 50/50+ or just plain old sterilized verm are the only two that I would recommend.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10584100 - 06/27/09 11:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If you are willing to go spend 3 or 4 dollars on some millet the following is an excellent step up tek, that will help you transition to grains.


Kramer Cakes

Take 3 parts millet, dump in 2 parts hot water, soak 15-30 hours, mix in 1 part verm (fine verm is best he says).  Continue to mix while loading jars (most of the water will drain to the bottom of your mixing container, so continue to stir as you load). You can load half pints, pints, quarts, whatever you want.  It is virtually impossible to fuck the water content up on this, and it is the most forgiving grain tek that I have every tried(and I have tried damn near all of them). You can use the dry verm layer in your half pints and pints, but for quarts, I recommend traditional g2g, after all if you are doing quarts your not fucking around anyhow, why wait on them, right? Don't worry if you have a little standing water on the bottom of your jars, it will colonize just fine(if you have an inch or more of standing water in any of your jars you did not follow the formula/tek). What I really like about this substrate is that while it makes excellent spawn for bulk or g2g, it can also be fruited as a cake. 1/2 pint cakes yield 15-20 grams dry(with a dunk and roll and decent fruiting conditions), cake lovers need to try this one!
This was originally done with wbs, and since most all wbs has loads of millet in it, Kramer just bought some millet one time and tried that.  He liked it, then he loved it, and now he swears that there is no better way to do it!  Tried it with a few other grains and says that millet works best.

This is really just a variation of Ryche's magic formula, simplified.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: george castanza]
    #10585386 - 06/28/09 08:38 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

FYI everyone you can't case with coir if you don't know why go back and read casing 101!

Now feelingfunny you can certainly go with what you've got and it will be fun!

You'll first want to pasturize your coir you can sterilize it instead too if you want at field capacity (moisture content). You will then birth each cake directly into a gallon ziplock then add to each ziplock your coir to about 1/2-3/4 of the bag seal it. Continue this with each cake I recommend doing this in a GB BTW.
This is an old tek used to expand BRF back in the day FYI. Now with your fingers break up the cakes and distribute the nickel sized chunks throughout the coir. Doing it in the bags decreases contamination ten fold. Incubate these bags until fully colonized then again break them up in the bag and pour it out in the tub level it as level as you can this is important to reducing early breakthroughs in the casing layer.

You can now case the substrate with your verm although I hate saying that verm is a poor performer compared to 50/50+ but should work just fine if you follow my pinning strategy. Level the casing layer without compacting it leaving it nice and airy. Save some verm to patch with also BTW.

Now mist it down to near saturation and leave it alone if the verm looks like it's drying a bit mist it as needed but DO NOT fan yet! Once your myc breaks through patch early areas with just enough to cover the myc no more! If you've leveled your substrate evenly as well as your casing you should only have to patch once or not at all.
Now kick back and read my pinning strategy again I guarantee you'll pick up on more info. ENJOY!
BTW if you have a lot of cakes use two per bag


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10585694 - 06/28/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i think hyphae just threw down some damn good information right there.. but if you are talking about keeping it simple then you might want to take georges advice and just fruit from cakes. that way you dont have to go through the process of spawning and then casing..which has a good chance of contaminating if you are new to this.

but maybe you could try both.
fruit from cakes with half of them.
and the other half try hyphaes method of bagging and crumbling with coir.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: prismism]
    #10585729 - 06/28/09 10:49 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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i think hyphae just threw down some damn good information right there.. but if you are talking about keeping it simple then you might want to take georges advice and just fruit from cakes. that way you dont have to go through the process of spawning and then casing..which has a good chance of contaminating if you are new to this.

but maybe you could try both.
fruit from cakes with half of them.
and the other half try hyphaes method of bagging and crumbling with coir.



I'm thinking shes tired of cakes? At least that's what she said I figured Mr. castanza would have picked up on that.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: hyphae]
    #10585753 - 06/28/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I just thought that she was becoming disappointed with her yields from the cakes she is doing.  Either way, I would just fruit the cakes as cakes, brf is not the ideal spawn.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: hyphae]
    #10585763 - 06/28/09 10:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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(I am tired of the low yield from cakes alone, trying to move up in the world)





fail. :foreheadslap:
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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: george castanza]
    #10585797 - 06/28/09 11:07 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I just thought that she was becoming disappointed with her yields from the cakes she is doing.  Either way, I would just fruit the cakes as cakes, brf is not the ideal spawn.



Not ideal but it sure works I've used it plenty in my early days. That coir colonizes so fast with a good spawn base that contams don't stand a chance if you have a good sterile culture technique that is. :wink:


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: hyphae]
    #10585810 - 06/28/09 11:11 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I agree 100% Mr. hyphae. :thumbup:


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: george castanza]
    #10586357 - 06/28/09 01:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you all for your advice. Let me clarify a few things for all of you.

I LOVE CAKES! And I have loved them for the last 6 months. Now I am bored (I get bored really easy) and I want to try something new. Though my post count is low, my husband and I have been at this for quite some time. (check his post count much higher and at least 1/4 of those are actually mine before I made my own account.) I just feel like I put so much work into my cakes for so little return. This has become a real passion for me and I am ready to learn more of this hobby then just one part. I will always do cakes, but I would like to be able to contribute to this community like my friend hyphea, and in order to do that I have to learn all aspects and I am ready to take the next step.

Love you guys!!


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10586369 - 06/28/09 01:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

With the materials I listed above I am going to be creating an in depth grow log, just in case anyone is interested.

I will probably be starting it on a new thread, but I will link it from here to there for anyone who can't find it.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10586903 - 06/28/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok these are the holes I drilled, same on the two sides you can't see.



Do I need more? I was thinking one more on each side, so that there would be one on top and one on bottom on each side, but I am worried that would be overkill.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10586964 - 06/28/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I would have put two on each end and two or three across the sides spaced about where your end holes are height wise. Stuffed with polyfil there's no overkill.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: hyphae]
    #10587053 - 06/28/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so to fix, maybe add two smaller holes (1/2") on the end, same level as the one there (1/4"), on each side of it, and 3 holes across the sides, again at the same level as the one already at the bottom, also 1/4" in diameter?

How about at the top? Are the two holes (1/4") I have good, or should I add more as well?


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10587246 - 06/28/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well I just realized that the container pictured at the beginning of the thread I can't use because it has a handle and subsiquent holes here the handle connects, and it has the locking clips, also with holes where the clips connect. Not really sure what to get. All the teks I have read are mostly these huge containers or like 10 smaller containers. Back to the drawing board I guess.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10587297 - 06/28/09 04:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, those totally work!
That's the big kind, right? That will hold hanging files?

Tape off the first 4 1/2 inches w/ duct tape, including the bottom if you want to use it to spawn to bulk. Or just draw a line for perlite use. Drill 1" holes for polyfil. Or drill 1/4" holes every two inches like a shotgun FC.

I use them with bulk spawn- a half brick of coir fits it nicely. But you can put cakes in there too. Up to five, I think.


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Re: Looking for a tek suggestion. [Re: Doc_T]
    #10587333 - 06/28/09 04:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's 11" x 12" x 8". And I already drilled 4 holes 1/4" in diameter. And hyphea suggested more holes. I am going for like a mini monotub. As for the tape, I was gonna line the inside with a black trash bag and trim it at the top of the substrate/coir miixture. My concern is the holes in the lid that I can't really tape or fill with polyfill. I am worried that with those uncovered/unfilled holes I will be risking contamination.


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