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is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE?
    #10578634 - 06/26/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

what with working alot and being away from said grow and only being able to realy mist and fan sometimes 1nce a day....everything is doin ok...im sure not at maximum potential but still good enough for the resources and labor time at hand....i was just wondering if aside from fanning if leaving the cover off the FC for a lil while at a time and putting it back on later would constitute a good source of FAE.
try to fan and mist on the reg but, works a bitch
but yea.....just wondering if they need straight up source of flowing air or just a source to the open air around it aside from the million holes in the FC


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #10578677 - 06/26/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Co2 is heavier than oxygen (and whatever else is in air, nitrogen, etc). By fanning it out, you push the Co2 out using regular air. Leaving the cover off, I would assume not push much/any of the Co2 out. If you're having problems doing FAE, try the Shotgun FC or the Poor Man's Pod. Those from what I've read seem to be pretty self reliant and only need to be fanned every once in a while.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: pickboy87]
    #10578689 - 06/26/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Co2 is heavier than oxygen (and whatever else is in air, nitrogen, etc). By fanning it out, you push the Co2 out using regular air. Leaving the cover off, I would assume not push much/any of the Co2 out. If you're having problems doing FAE, try the Shotgun FC or the Poor Man's Pod. Those from what I've read seem to be pretty self reliant and only need to be fanned every once in a while.



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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #10578690 - 06/26/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

keep the top on the terrarium all the time. if you take it off for any length of time there will be no way to keep the humidity up to the level you need. with a shotgun terrarium fanning once a day will be way better then leaving the top off.

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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: ROGER5676]
    #10578705 - 06/26/09 07:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ok
yea, its a shotgun
was just wondering if even that needed to be misted and fanned more
so prety much give it a good fan out once every 24 hours at worst
usualy at least once every 12
that about right?


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #10578709 - 06/26/09 07:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadPhan said:
ok
yea, its a shotgun
was just wondering if even that needed to be misted and fanned more
so prety much give it a good fan out once every 24 hours at worst
usualy at least once every 12
that about right?





that will work just fine

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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: ROGER5676]
    #10579018 - 06/26/09 08:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The shotgun terrarium gives natural FAE by design, misting and fanning improves performance but it will do fine with just 1 or 2 a day.

co2 doesnt sink to the bottom. Its not like oil and water, they dont seperate like that. Not in a shotgun terrairum anyway, id oubt in a sealed terrarium it would be like that. In a shotgun terrarium theres air currents. Air is rising from the cooler area at the perlite to the warmer air above (heat fom the cakes and lighting)

Ive heard that a shotgun terrarium can sometimes still maintain 90%rh with the lid off, but the perlite would dry out prett quick.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10579067 - 06/26/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Co2 is heavier than air and can concentrate in low areas. Fact
The ambient air isn't separated from the co2 but higher concentrations of co2 are found in low lying areas if there is no air circulation.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: hyphae]
    #10579083 - 06/26/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"if there is no air circulation".
Which isn't the case in an FC, there's chaotic mixing of air in there.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10579129 - 06/26/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
"if there is no air circulation".
Which isn't the case in an FC, there's chaotic mixing of air in there.



Only if it's automated or your fanning I was addressing the water and oil thingy. Besides a fruiting chamber is only as good as it's design and the efforts you put into it. FAE's are most important during primordial formation stagnant pockets can reduce pin counts if left undisturbed either through bad design, laziness, or a busy schedule.
First mistake we make is to assume.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: hyphae]
    #10579165 - 06/26/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you aren't fanning and it's not automated and there's no air movement-
like a bucket neglect tek-
then yeah, the CO2 settles to the bottom. Agreed. But it's not like oil and water. It's like oil and heavier oil.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10579328 - 06/26/09 09:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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If you aren't fanning and it's not automated and there's no air movement-
like a bucket neglect tek-
then yeah, the CO2 settles to the bottom. Agreed. But it's not like oil and water. It's like oil and heavier oil.



That's what I said except I used air and co2 as examples please reread my posts.
Co2 settles is the point the only point I was making why must this become a debate? Lifes too short guys lets relax take a deep breath and enjoy sound good?


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: hyphae]
    #10579470 - 06/26/09 10:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I was just 'discussing', not really 'debating'. Sorry. :smile:


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10579553 - 06/26/09 10:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
I was just 'discussing', not really 'debating'. Sorry. :smile:



Not a problem I'm tired kinda want to go to bed but you know how it is I miss the place been gone too long and well guess it's bed time for the oldman see ya bright and early OK? :laugh:
BTW co2 can build rather quickly I've seen tons of non-neglect teks with long skinny stems and small caps and poor pinsets.
What I like is the fact we could be out on the town but instead we chose to be here that means a lot.


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Re: is leaving the top off of the FC for a lil while a decent method of FAE? [Re: hyphae]
    #10579621 - 06/26/09 11:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

good advice.


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