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tonos
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Why verm bottom of casing?
#10578581 - 06/26/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, so I will try casing for the first time here soon. I heard that adding a verm layer to the bottom of a tray casing will only make the myc expend and waste energy colonizing that layer. So my question is, is that layer needed? If it is, what would it be needed for. Thanks.
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: tonos]
#10578606 - 06/26/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It'll make nice bottom pins?
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: Doc_T]
#10578648 - 06/26/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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be sure to sterilize you're casing layer so you don't wind up with any contams from the Verm. This can be achieved by simply placing a jar of dry verm in you're PC for 90 min. at 15psi.....it will hold moisture against you're sub. giving you possibly more fruits..........e
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: electrics]
#10578664 - 06/26/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Verm on the bottom was a bad idea it's purpose was to catch excess water when newbies over watered. instead it became a possible breeding ground for anaerobic bacteria. Forget the bottom verm layer and you'll be perfecting your skills.
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tonos
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: hyphae]
#10578698 - 06/26/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: tonos]
#10578707 - 06/26/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, thanks as well. I learn something every time I come on here 
Would you need to sterilize the pan at all (or whatever you plan on using for casing)?
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: pickboy87]
#10578718 - 06/26/09 07:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope, wash it with warm soapy water.
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: Doc_T]
#10578728 - 06/26/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Nope, wash it with warm soapy water.
Ditto
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: hyphae]
#10579570 - 06/26/09 10:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool. I was planning on using 50/50 peat moss vermiculite for a top and bottom casing layer soon. I'll just use it for the top.
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: darkestmage]
#10579576 - 06/26/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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darkestmage said: Cool. I was planning on using 50/50 peat moss vermiculite for a top and bottom casing layer soon. I'll just use it for the top.
I'd buffer that (50/50+) thats the good shit alright! GL
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: hyphae]
#10579873 - 06/27/09 12:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some growers use a bottom layer of verm as a moisture reservoir, but in my experience it's also a bad idea. If you'll maintain proper substrate moisture content via misting/soaking, it isn't necessary, and as said above can lead to bottom pins and/or contamination. Keep the casing layer on the top only, if you're going to case. RR
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10580204 - 06/27/09 02:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I read the 50-50 tek page and was wondering if jiffy mix would work just as well. How does the JM compare to the addition of calcium carbonate and peat moss?
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: hyphae]
#10580438 - 06/27/09 03:56 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hyphae - you mean add the shell and lime? It seems like a pain but I can get it if it will make a huge difference?
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Re: Why verm bottom of casing? [Re: darkestmage]
#10580716 - 06/27/09 08:03 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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darkestmage said: Hyphae - you mean add the shell and lime? It seems like a pain but I can get it if it will make a huge difference?
Yes buffering it will allow more flushes before contams/trich sets in. That IMHO is the biggest benefit of buffers beside the pH correction which BTW is essential for strong healthy growth. When bufferring I always recommend using both short term (hydrated lime) and long term buffers like chalk, dolomite lime, powdered eggshell, oyster shell flour, etc;
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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