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psikonauxto
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stalled monotub (w/pics)
#10573018 - 06/25/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I spawned some rye to a coir/cpoo/verm/gypsum mixture at a ratio of 1:4 or 1:5, ending up with 4-5 gallons of substrate 4" deep in a monotub. That was almost 20 days ago and it's still not 100% colonized, but there's no obvious contamination. I've been storing it in a closet most of the time and have been peeking too frequently, so CO2 and humidity levels might be off. During the past few days I've kept in the open, misting and fanning a couple times a day, and covering the substrate with crumpled wax paper. The monotub's holes are covered with two layers of postal tyvek-should I replace it with polyfil or is tyvek acceptable? Is there anything else I can do to improve its chances of making it to 100 percent colonization?
This is the monotub after ten days:

This is the monotub today almost twenty days after spawning:
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: psikonauxto]
#10573031 - 06/25/09 07:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You probably had to much fresh air exchange and your CO2 levels were not high enough or its got like a bacteria or mold taken over..
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: Damion5050]
#10573037 - 06/25/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks ok. Maybe it's just slow. Give it time.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: Doc_T]
#10573054 - 06/25/09 07:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You need to get all your variables in line IE: Rh,Temp,FAE or GE.. Cause if it is suppose to be a mono tub it should be closed and it doesn't look fully colonized so it needs to finish colonizing before you try to fruit it..
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: Damion5050]
#10573169 - 06/25/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Might be that your substrate was/still is too wet. I just did one,not that bad but close, My second to date. Well i had a couple of rye jars left so i made a couple of bin's, However in the process i squeezed most of the H2O out of the sub on the two bins, Both bin's have been done now for almost a week wile the tub is being cased tonight.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: curbstop]
#10573255 - 06/25/09 08:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fruit it now as in ASAP! By the time the transition from vegetative growth to generative growth occurs they will be fully colonized this is the part called timing. FYI they don't always colonize every nook and cranny nor do you want them to. I see all to often people waiting until there totally fully colonized before fruiting many times wasting days by the time they are setting their pins others are already harvesting their first flush. Mist it down good and fruit it I say! Or not thats totally up to you. Either way the best of luck to ya bro! BTW that looks killer bro good job thus far!
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10573427 - 06/25/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fruit it now as in ASAP!
Would you case it or not?????????????
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: curbstop]
#10573481 - 06/25/09 08:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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curbstop said:
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Fruit it now as in ASAP!
Would you case it or not?????????????
well if I did case it it would have to stay in the incubator a while longer that would be up to him. It looking good he just may want to geter done without a casing layer? Personally I case everything they just seem to flush longer with less maintenance (no dunking). In the long run casings yield more for me.
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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10574150 - 06/25/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey i have a monotub that i made the day after mothers day and it just fruited now, and it was very poor yield at that... one thing i noticed was your holes are not closer to the casing layer. mine was just like this also. this might be lack of FAE. when i started fanning my tub is when it fruited.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10576940 - 06/26/09 01:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said: Fruit it now as in ASAP! By the time the transition from vegetative growth to generative growth occurs they will be fully colonized this is the part called timing. FYI they don't always colonize every nook and cranny nor do you want them to. I see all to often people waiting until there totally fully colonized before fruiting many times wasting days by the time they are setting their pins others are already harvesting their first flush. Mist it down good and fruit it I say! Or not thats totally up to you. Either way the best of luck to ya bro! BTW that looks killer bro good job thus far!
Thx for the advice hyphae! I'll give it a couple more days then provide pinning/fruiting conditions this weekend. Some questions:
Is tyvek okay or should I replace it with polyfil?
Would a thin casing layer help? The substrate is almost flush with the holes and there's not a lot of room, maybe enough for 1/4 inch.
Would it make sense to case after the first flush? I want to try casing at some point but this is my first monotub, so the fewer new things I try at once the less I can screw up.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: psikonauxto]
#10577064 - 06/26/09 02:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would go with the polyfill, tyvek is great for GE but I don't think it is good for FAE. JMO During fruiting you want as much FAE as possible with out lowering the RH. GL, CH
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: CH HELL]
#10578162 - 06/26/09 06:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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CH HELL said: I would go with the polyfill, tyvek is great for GE but I don't think it is good for FAE. JMO During fruiting you want as much FAE as possible with out lowering the RH. GL, CH
Agreed. I'd skip the casing this time around and definitely never case after your pinset that will just bury your pins for subsequent flushes. The thing to keep in mind here is a pinning substrate is a substrate in generative growth a casing run needs to be in a vegetative state to grow through the casing layer. Also I'd like to add a little insight here think of vegetative myc as a runner building up momentum timing is critical for truly prolific pinsets so we wait and watch and try to time it right. Just before full colonization we induce fruiting this transition takes a few days during this time the mycelium growth slows it does not stop so as you see there will be continued growth if timed right by the time this transition is complete so will be the colonization in the valleys of the casing. This is the true art advanced growers strive for you see we take advantage of this momentum (vegging) to create energy in the generative state this produces your most prolific flushes. Many do this never realizing their time is spot on they wonder why one grow went so great and the next so so. Keep you RH as high as you can get it with plenty of FAE's and sit back you going to experience what patience really is all about!!! GL
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10578806 - 06/26/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would you mind quickly going over how you time a flush/harvest and so forth without dunking, hyphae? Do you just heavily mist between flushes and let em do their thing?
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: RedBeerd]
#10578837 - 06/26/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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RedBeerd said: Would you mind quickly going over how you time a flush/harvest and so forth without dunking, hyphae? Do you just heavily mist between flushes and let em do their thing?
I am not Hyphae but I belive he was talking about the first flush between "vegging" and fruiting. You just learn when to fruit it with more experence. CH
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: RedBeerd]
#10578865 - 06/26/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You do not time a flush or harvest that is in the hands of God. Yes after I harvest a flush I mist them down to near saturation once and allow the mycelium to digest more nutrients to bolt the next flush usually in a few days sometimes sooner. You have read my pinning strategy right I address a lot in there.
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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: CH HELL]
#10578869 - 06/26/09 08:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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CH HELL said:
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RedBeerd said: Would you mind quickly going over how you time a flush/harvest and so forth without dunking, hyphae? Do you just heavily mist between flushes and let em do their thing?
I am not Hyphae but I belive he was talking about the first flush between "vegging" and fruiting. You just learn when to fruit it with more experence. CH
That is correct.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10594477 - 06/29/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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A question for Hyphae if i may.
Case now or wait???????????? This is my Braz tub 2 days after mixing.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: curbstop]
#10594517 - 06/29/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have you initiated fruiting (light, FAE's, etc; )? If not you've got a good start on a casing run either way your rockin and I'd case tomorrow! GL
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10594540 - 06/29/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have you initiated fruiting (light, FAE's, etc; )?
No Sir, It's only been two days, When i looked at it today by accident i was shocked , My best to date so far.
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If not you've got a good start on a casing run either way your rockin and I'd case tomorrow! GL
Your the man. Thanks for the advice, I will post pics in a new thread when the time comes to harvest .
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10594644 - 06/29/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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CH HELL said: I would go with the polyfill, tyvek is great for GE but I don't think it is good for FAE. JMO During fruiting you want as much FAE as possible with out lowering the RH. GL, CH
Agreed. I'd skip the casing this time around and definitely never case after your pinset that will just bury your pins for subsequent flushes. The thing to keep in mind here is a pinning substrate is a substrate in generative growth a casing run needs to be in a vegetative state to grow through the casing layer. Also I'd like to add a little insight here think of vegetative myc as a runner building up momentum timing is critical for truly prolific pinsets so we wait and watch and try to time it right. Just before full colonization we induce fruiting this transition takes a few days during this time the mycelium growth slows it does not stop so as you see there will be continued growth if timed right by the time this transition is complete so will be the colonization in the valleys of the casing. This is the true art advanced growers strive for you see we take advantage of this momentum (vegging) to create energy in the generative state this produces your most prolific flushes. Many do this never realizing their time is spot on they wonder why one grow went so great and the next so so. Keep you RH as high as you can get it with plenty of FAE's and sit back you going to experience what patience really is all about!!! GL
Hyphae what do you think about Fahtster's method of late casing? And I'm not baiting you or anything. I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on it.
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: Mnboardin]
#10596351 - 06/30/09 06:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mnboardin said:
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hyphae said:
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CH HELL said: I would go with the polyfill, tyvek is great for GE but I don't think it is good for FAE. JMO During fruiting you want as much FAE as possible with out lowering the RH. GL, CH
Agreed. I'd skip the casing this time around and definitely never case after your pinset that will just bury your pins for subsequent flushes. The thing to keep in mind here is a pinning substrate is a substrate in generative growth a casing run needs to be in a vegetative state to grow through the casing layer. Also I'd like to add a little insight here think of vegetative myc as a runner building up momentum timing is critical for truly prolific pinsets so we wait and watch and try to time it right. Just before full colonization we induce fruiting this transition takes a few days during this time the mycelium growth slows it does not stop so as you see there will be continued growth if timed right by the time this transition is complete so will be the colonization in the valleys of the casing. This is the true art advanced growers strive for you see we take advantage of this momentum (vegging) to create energy in the generative state this produces your most prolific flushes. Many do this never realizing their time is spot on they wonder why one grow went so great and the next so so. Keep you RH as high as you can get it with plenty of FAE's and sit back you going to experience what patience really is all about!!! GL
Hyphae what do you think about Fahtster's method of late casing? And I'm not baiting you or anything. I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on it.
From a brief scan (I'll go back later) he missed one of the biggest reasons (unless I missed it) a casing supplies a tremendous amount of moisture for those maturing fruits. Sorry I'll don't have a chance to read it more throughly at the moment but I will. I have to say those are some fantastic flushes!
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: stalled monotub (w/pics) [Re: hyphae]
#10622798 - 07/04/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is my first monotub grow. I spawned rye berries inoculated with Mexican Albino spores to a coir/cpoo/etc substrate almost a month ago, and now I think it may be contaminated. There are brownish/reddish spots on the myc, clearly visible in the first photo to the lower left of the single fruit in the middle - I don't know if any molds look like this. There are some areas of the myc where there is a greenish-blue tint that could be mold - you can see one area in pic 2, taken just after misting so the myc is a little damp. But the greenish-blue color could also be bruised myc - I have to move the tub in and out of the closet sometimes and today the bottom flexed more than usual (there is a visible "seam" in the middle of the substrate), so maybe I injured the myc?
There were a few fruits that already grew past the pinning stage. They are small, thin, and on at least a couple the cap is very light tan with tiny dark specks. They are Mexican Albino as I mentioned - a small grow in a little Rubbermaid storage box I made with leftover spawn has produced a few healthy dark-capped shrooms, but it is a multispore grow. I attached the best pic of the fruits I could take to the end of the post.
So is this enough info to determine whether it's contaminated or not? What should I do next?
(Cross-posted to my "contaminated monotub?" thread in Contamination)


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