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OfflineBrukan
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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #806629 - 08/09/02 09:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm beginning to get suspicious that it may take the "000" capsule to get about 1000mg (1g) of mushroom powder encapsulated. Seems like the Syrian Rue seeds are indeed more dense that the mushroom powder, and that may be because I don't dry the Syrian Rue before encapsulating it (which I don't think one needs to do).

I saw on Cap-M-Quiks site that the complete set for the "000" capsules is $43.95. It may or may not be worth it. I mean, if you don't have resource to a good scale then knowing that the "000" capsule will allow about 1000mg (1g) of shroom powder would be great! But if one has a good scale, it really doesn't matter.



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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: highoman]
    #806639 - 08/09/02 09:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That's funny, I get about 580mg of ground Syrian Rue into "0" capsules, with tamping.


Edited by Brukan (08/09/02 09:55 AM)


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? - SPECS [Re: Brukan]
    #806676 - 08/09/02 10:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Some Tech Specs I found this on http://www.trinityherb.com
The "?" symbol seperates categories and entries.

Capsule Weight and Length
(assumed moisture content 14 - 14.5%)
Size ? Avg. Weight per cap (mg) ? Length (in)
0 ? 96 +/- 8 ? 0.835
00 ? 122 +/- 10 ? 0.917
000 ? 163 + /- 13 ? 1.029


Capsule Capacity ?? Powder Dose Density
Size ? Capsule Vol. (mg) ?? 0.6g/cc ? 1.0g/cc
0 ? 0.68 ?? 408 ? 680
00 ? 0.95 ?? 570 ? 950
000 ? 1.37 ?? 822 ? 1370

Solubility
Empty gelatin capsules meet Federal Specification
U-C-115B: i.e. Capsules dissolve or disintegrate
within five minutes when immersed in a 0.5% Hcl
solution at 36-38?C (This is not water immersion)

So perhaps the powder density of cracker dry mushrooms is 0.6g/cc? If so, then even the "000" capsules may not be enough for a 1000mg (1g) dose.

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #806927 - 08/09/02 12:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think you're right, it's the 000 caps that might take 1g each.

But who wants to try to swallow those gigantic things? Not me! I have enough trouble getting the 00's down....


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #806948 - 08/09/02 12:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You all should look at the "Pill Machine" also, if you like the cap-m-quik. they have it at http://www.capsuleconnection.com/ . I thought it was a better product. I do agree though that .5g is about all you can get in a 00 sized.

www.vitapress.com has a metal press, that someone claimed could get 4g in a single pill, but I have not verified that, and the email sent to their site is never responded to. Oh well.

Have a great one!

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #807290 - 08/09/02 03:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I noticed you said you use VCAPS, am I to assume these are vegetable caps (primarily for vegens as geletin contains some animal product) I have read that vegetable caps take around 45 minutes on average to dissolve as opposed to 20 for geletin capsules. I myself have geletin capsules and when I eat shroomerdude capsules I can feel effects within 20 min.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: darkfly]
    #807326 - 08/09/02 03:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah. According to http://www.capsugel.com ...

In reply to:

the Vcaps? capsules are two-piece capsules made from cellulosic raw materials that satisfy vegetarian and cultural needs. Vcaps capsules are an attractive, preservative-free, all natural dosage form that retains all the advantages of standard two-piece capsules: easy to swallow, effectively mask taste and odor, and allow product visibility. This capsule of plant origin meets the strict dietary needs of customers that choose vegetarian, as well as Kosher lifestyles.




I haven't confirmed that VCAPS take 45 min to break down. Would you send me a link or reference to confirm that darkfly

But according to my previous post, it should take gelcaps about 5 min to dissolve in the human stomach


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: darkfly]
    #807546 - 08/09/02 05:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

darkfly, I use the veggie caps also, and have experienced the effects in as little as 20 min......YMMV


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #814265 - 08/13/02 07:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I must thank you all.

I've learned so much from this discussion.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1055252 - 11/15/02 11:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has a lot of points that people don't agree on...

Some say that capsuled bring an faster onset, and some say that it is about the same as consuming normal dried mushrooms....

If one was using a capsule ingestion method and wanted a smoother, slower onset... Would It not make sense to follow what has been said as follows:

In reply to:

The Mazatec Indians who have used these sacred mushrooms for thousands of years take from 10 to 30 minutes or more to eat a dose.




I'd say its safe to assume everyone is either using OO or OOO capsules... OO's are holding about .5g each... so to take an eigth, you've got 7 capsules... Why not just swallow these over the course of 20-30 minutes?


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: absolute zero]
    #1055512 - 11/15/02 01:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm using "0" caps with cracker dry powder, & despite a lot of fussing, the most I can get in is .3 gm.

FWIW, I think caps are a great way to ingest shrooms.  If the Mayans or Incas had gelcaps, they woulda used 'em.  :grin: 


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: vildechayea]
    #1055559 - 11/15/02 01:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, look at the last post date, 08/13/02. It's 3 months old. start a new thread, don't bring one back from the dead.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: daussaulit]
    #1057079 - 11/16/02 12:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If you want the pills to break down quicker all you have to do is take a pin and put a bunch of holes in the gel cap.


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