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Nuggetpouch



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How necessary is Lysol?
#10569879 - 06/25/09 10:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sometimes I wonder how necesarry the spraying the inoculation area with lysol & oust really is. I mean there must be millions of microscopic spores in the air, can lysol really kill EVERY one and prevent a SINGLE contaminant from entering your substrate? I understand it can't hurt just to be safe but sometimes I wonder if we are all being a bit OCD about this whole thing and spraying lysol and bleach around our bathrooms and closets for no real reason.
I have heard of people just innoculating their jars in the open air of their dirty ass room and have their jars turn out just fine. Of course he sterilized his jars with steam sterilization first.
Also I am talking specifically about PF cakes with a dry verm lair, which are supposidly less susceptible to contaminants then grain or doodoo.
Have their ever been any control expirements to demonstrate that lysoling the hell out of your inoculation area is actually necesarry?
how do we know that people whos jars got contaminated (without spraying lysol in inoc area) how do we know that the syrings werent just contaminated or that they didnt sterilize their substrate properly?
Please share your experiences and opinions.
If there's one thing I can say it's that this whole lysol cleaning thing has probably taken a bunch of filthy and unclean mushroom loving bachelors and turned them into super-clean neat freaks.
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Edited by Nuggetpouch (06/25/09 10:17 AM)
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10569898 - 06/25/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't use Lysol at all. But it's Oust you should be spraying in the air. Lysol is a surface sanitizer. I don't use Oust either. I just wash my hands.
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Nuggetpouch



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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Doc_T]
#10569910 - 06/25/09 10:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool. How clean is the room you usually inoculate in? Do you think it really matters if there are a lot of fabrics in the room?
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Edited by Nuggetpouch (06/25/09 10:24 AM)
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10569925 - 06/25/09 10:28 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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yaea fabrics are full of dust and contams.. just try to move around on the carpet as little as possible... slippers maybe?
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Re: How necesarry is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10569927 - 06/25/09 10:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i use Lysol all the time anyway. it seems to help with my allergies. my house is hundreds of years old and is always dusty. but no contams so far.
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10569930 - 06/25/09 10:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use a glove box, so I don't need to worry about most of that bullshit. I use latex gloves, tyvek wrist sleeves, an alcohol lamp and I wipe everything down with 70% Isopropyl alcohol.
Lysol is really only necessary for spraying down the front of a flowhood, which I don't currently own.
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i didnt use anything on my last inoculation.besides alcohol.when i have Lysol i like to use it.id be very clean until you're comfortable with your own method's. be ocd it'll help
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Nuggetpouch



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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: lacma50]
#10569965 - 06/25/09 10:37 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lacma50 said: yaea fabrics are full of dust and contams.. just try to move around on the carpet as little as possible... slippers maybe?
So if fabrics are full of dust and contams then wouldnt a place with a lot of fabric be the bast place to inoculate?
AM I CRAZY?
No heres my idea. If spores stick to fabrics, then an area with a lot of fabrics will have all the spores attracting to the fabrics instead of floating around the air. So in theory if you dont move the fabrics in the area you should be good.
Let's face it, if you don't use a glove box you AREN'T going to find an area in your home without microscopic contaminents floating around EVERYWHERE. Unless you use a glovebox of course (which i heard isnt necesarry with PF jars anyways)
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Edited by Nuggetpouch (06/25/09 10:39 AM)
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10569987 - 06/25/09 10:43 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i noc w/o a glove box in a dirty room with carpet flooring, all the bathrooms in the house have multicolored mold on them...
i never use lysol/oust/anything
just a pc a syringe and a lighter
i think 1 out of 14 jars contam
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: tektonic]
#10569997 - 06/25/09 10:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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tektonic said: i noc w/o a glove box in a dirty room with carpet flooring, all the bathrooms in the house have multicolored mold on them...
i never use lysol/oust/anything
just a pc a syringe and a lighter
i think 1 out of 14 jars contam
1/14 is still amazingly shitty odds, when you could fix all of that for literally $10 by buying a rubbermaid tote box and cutting arm holes in the front.
Personally, I don't like wasting my time mixing up spawn, sterilizing jars, and inoculating if I'm going to have contaminants. This trend of people advocating sloppy technique is ridiculous.
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: tektonic]
#10570000 - 06/25/09 10:47 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lysol, still air box= 0 out of sixty
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Nuggetpouch



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but do we really no for a fact that we can attribute your 0 out of 60 to the lysol?
how do we know that the reason the guy without the glovebox and the moldy carpets (omg) how do we know that the source of his contams doeesnt lie in his PC techniques? or even his syringes?
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Edited by Nuggetpouch (06/25/09 10:53 AM)
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I use Oust in my glovebox as an added precaution. Alcohol for the surfaces, and Oust for anything that might be floatin around. I also occasionaly spray down my FC with it.
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fungusfeller said: i use Lysol all the time anyway. it seems to help with my allergies. my house is hundreds of years old and is always dusty. but no contams so far.
wow unless you have had your electrical updated i bet that's some seriously scary wiring in that house. i mean aluminum wires with cloth insulation. i cant believe they used cloth at 1 point. please tell me your not using an old federal panel either. just curious
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Re: How necesarry is Lysol? [Re: TacoHerder]
#10570149 - 06/25/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i oust the living hell out of my entire area + use a glove box.
dunno, it was what i was shown to do, and im not sure if it helps, but it cant hurt?
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Re: How necesarry is Lysol? [Re: brand0n]
#10570158 - 06/25/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It kills 99.9% of germs, which means the 0.1% it doesn't kill, which are more powerful than the others, are allowed to selectively reproduce. Then Lysol gets better as go the germs. Technology seems to be evolving with an "anti-human" nature force that makes so many humans more fucked up with allergies, sicknesses, etc. than ever before.
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Re: How necesarry is Lysol? [Re: stereolab]
#10570188 - 06/25/09 11:24 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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stereolab said: It kills 99.9% of germs, which means the 0.1% it doesn't kill, which are more powerful than the others, are allowed to selectively reproduce.
That information is new to me.
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10570189 - 06/25/09 11:24 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nuggetpouch said: the guy without the glovebox and the moldy carpets (omg)
That's me. 100 year old building, with mold and dust and anything else you can think of. I work on my stovetop, and I have close to zero contam rate when I'm using a known-good syringe. Good sterile technique is crucial if you are going to take shortcuts, though. For the inexperienced, I recommend as many additional measures as possible.
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Edited by Doc_T (06/25/09 11:33 AM)
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Re: How necesarry is Lysol? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#10570233 - 06/25/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nuggetpouch said:
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stereolab said: It kills 99.9% of germs, which means the 0.1% it doesn't kill, which are more powerful than the others, are allowed to selectively reproduce.
That information is new to me.
It should say it somewhere on the can, unless they changed it.
I just use incense to make my room smell good, and when my nose feels stuffy I do some breathing exercises that usually help. Some people have worse allergies than me though, so they might not work as good, but it's definitely worth a shot. I'm actually pretty anti all chemicals people use to clean themselves and their air (except soap and sometimes shampoo/conditioner).
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Re: How necessary is Lysol? [Re: Doc_T]
#10571815 - 06/25/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i agree completely 
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