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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10565693 - 06/24/09 04:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You gotta love a thread that starts off with a strawman.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said: You gotta love a thread that starts off with a strawman.
No all posts should be as depressing and emo as your own.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10565841 - 06/24/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: This is not true, but if you want to limit yourself with self-definitions then be my guest. The fact is that you are what you do.
You tell me that its stupid to limit myself to definitions then you go on to define who I am? how is the original quote not true? You're only rebuttal is that you say it isn't, but you offer no reasons as to why. "the fact of the mater..." really? that's a fact? First of all that's unverifiable it's an opinion, and second of all, you have offered barely any reason for me to believe it.
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Moment to moment you have a choice to act skillfully. In your mind you can strive to center constantly and you will make progress. Neural plasticity will form happier and more open pathways if you keep making an effort.
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So you can hide behind excuses of human nature and unhealthy upbringing as long as you want. This is self indulgence.
No, this is a misinterpretation of the quote
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You will soon start seeing more clearly how you create your own suffering and which actions and thought-patterns lead to increased happiness and wellbeing.
There is peace. All you have to do is reach for it and strive for it. Don't get complacent when you are happy, but keep walking the path.
i dont know what to say
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And stop bitching please. Put out joy when your joyful and see it reflected back at you in an increasing feedback-loop. IF AND WHEN you are DEPRESSED I advice you to keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard until you are filled with something worth infecting onto others.
i see...
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: learningtofly]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10565881 - 06/24/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That was a minor part of my reply, please tell refer to the first part
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: learningtofly]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10565934 - 06/24/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: The fact is that you are what you do. .
Really, you didn't define me?
Not only did you define me, you offered no evidence as to why the original did not stand true
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566136 - 06/24/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't get complacent when you are happy, but keep walking the path.
How foolish to think that happiness is not the goal and end of the path.
It must be nice (dumb) to be young and innocent.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566144 - 06/24/09 05:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: One thing I actually do know about Orgone's private life is that he has stated that he did meditation and yoga daily for 10 years and all he got out of it was good health. This is very strange to me, but I guess some people are just more hardheaded and more resistant to the immense benefits of the practice. I stayed one weekend at a retreat and came out so blissed out that I couldn't stop laughing and singing for hours.
Of course I had to go through dark times on my way there. Seemed like some blockages were removed. Maybe some people just give up before they reach this, and therefore automatically conclude that the practice does not really work.
It is puzzling.
For all I know he is super happy though and posting here out of compassion. I don't understand how a happy mind could go on day after day with all that bickering, but who am I to judge?
No you're just an old soul and so far closer to enlightenment then the rest.
Of course I had to go through dark times on my way there.
I'll bet.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566168 - 06/24/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: You gotta love a guy like you because you really need it.
Orgone is just a professional button masher. You gotta love him. I mean, lets not get all angsty (I know, its not a word) about how some of us choose to be happy.
He may be perfectly happy irritating the hell out of every other individual he meets, and if so, that's his business.
At least he's good at what he likes.
Besides, there's nothing that says you deserve happiness and joy just because you try to spread it around. My wife observed this today, when she gave a small child in Greece some food who was begging, and the child's parents threw the food to the dogs. (They were after Euros, probably for drugs or alcohol or worse, since the food was obviously not necessary to them.)
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566464 - 06/24/09 06:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: Reflect on it and tell me why it is not true then. Or look elsewhere. It doesn't really matter to me.
You obviously have no idea how to have a proper debate. If you present an idea, poorly I might add, it is not my duty to back it up for you. You have access to the internet, google Burden of Proof
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: learningtofly]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566486 - 06/24/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's common sense. Why should I respond to your argument if you haven't presented a decent one? Until you do, the status quo wins.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10566605 - 06/24/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, once again. If you are really here to gain knowledge then why not present your ideas better? I shot your ideas down because I dont think you presented a decent argument as to why "I am what I am, and that's all i am" is wrong.
And instead of refuting that or adding more info, you just complain about it.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10568240 - 06/25/09 12:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Being smart and cynical may either A. be a path to happiness or B. make him/her happy. What do you say to that?
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10568349 - 06/25/09 12:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry for presenting them in the first place. I was just really happy and wanted to share what I thought could be insights someone could relate to.
Hey, that's cool. but I think the problem is that your original post took a meaningful phrase and presented it as limiting.
We are what we are. Are we more than what we are? We may be more than what we think we are, but that's not the statement in question. I am, what I am. I am. How could it be otherwise?
And you butchered another one. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There is a point behind it regarding how motivations can do harm to the self when the intention was otherwise. I see it all the time, and have experienced it myself more often that I would like to admit. It's not just something people say.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10569279 - 06/25/09 05:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: (I) wanted to share what I thought could be insights someone could relate to.
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rebus_minus said: (One should) take responsibility for ones' actions and realize that what you do moment to moment will become you.
In the case of spiritual posession, the responsibility for ones' actions lays where?
I assume we're all on the road to insight, thankyou for yours.
edit: We will not be so easily misled by the relation in which the credit is due.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10570043 - 06/25/09 10:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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rebus_minus said: You misunderstand me. I am saying do not stop making skillful choices when you are happy, but keep going in the direction of happiness.
And I do not believe in a soul. Please don't project so much.
It's good to have a project.
Maybe happiness comes more from not doing then doing.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10570484 - 06/25/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it was for you alone, why did you say " do not stop making skillful choices when you are happy, but keep going in the direction of happiness." That implies you're telling someone.
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." *DELETED* [Re: learningtofly]
#10570497 - 06/25/09 12:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10570505 - 06/25/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's straight from your proverbial mouth dude. If you meant that it was for yourself, you should have said so. I can't read minds.
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#10570520 - 06/25/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: "I am what I am and that's all that I am." [Re: rebus_minus]
#10570528 - 06/25/09 12:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That advice is for you. I never claimed it was for myself.
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