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Does anybody know about how narcs operate
#10561275 - 06/23/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If a narc calls you for drugs how does it go down, do they usually want to meet up right away or do they ever plan it a couple days ahead with you? Also what if they keep wanting more and more does that mean they are probably a narc? Do narcs do buys at certain times of the day, should I do my deals at night to reduce probability of getting caught. How do I know if it is a narc, do they have narcs buy acid and stuff like that?
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10561822 - 06/23/09 09:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have no answer to your questions, but is it true that a narc will have another undercover officer with him to act as a witness to the bust?
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10562382 - 06/23/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If a narc calls you for drugs how does it go down, do they usually want to meet up right away or do they ever plan it a couple days ahead with you?
Which ever you will agree to.
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Also what if they keep wanting more and more does that mean they are probably a narc?
Not usually.
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Do narcs do buys at certain times of the day
They probably mostly operate during normal business hours, however if you deal at night I am sure they would make an exception.
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How do I know if it is a narc, do they have narcs buy acid and stuff like that?
There is no solid way to know if it is a narc, but there are a few signs that are usually there.
The first and foremost sign is that you don't know them much, you can tell they don't really respect you, and they are annoying. Very annoying. They call drugs stupid names, seem somewhat out of place, and really get on your nerves. Most people will give them drugs just to get them the hell out of there. That would be a really big mistake. Never give an annoying person who doesn't respect you any drugs.
A narc will try to buy whatever he can.
People who have had legal trouble recently are very often narcs.
People who are addicted to hard drugs are often narcs.
Narcs will be shady people who have been busted several times, not a solid person that has their shit togeather.
Sometimes you will lose contact with someone, their life will go to shit, and then they will call you up out of nowhere and try to set you up.
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I have no answer to your questions, but is it true that a narc will have another undercover officer with him to act as a witness to the bust?
Absolutely. That way they don't have to reveal the identity of the narc, or have his dubious credibility be called into question. They will want a real cop along to act as a witness in court. In my experience this guy is usually about 24, wears a baseball cap, gets introduced as a "friend", seems kind of nervous.
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Why doesn't every dealer require that their customer show up alone then? It seems that it would be next to impossible to get busted that way...
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: deCypher]
#10562661 - 06/24/09 12:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smart dealers only go through green dot money transfers and never see their customers.
Completely anonymous, if you attract to much attention they can track the money paks but thats why you give them fake info when you register the card.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: pazzy]
#10562696 - 06/24/09 12:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are the narcs drug addicts or cops that work for drug units?
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: deCypher]
#10562733 - 06/24/09 12:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why doesn't every dealer require that their customer show up alone then? It seems that it would be next to impossible to get busted that way...
If the CI shows up alone and buys drugs that is enough to convict the dealer, if the CI testifies in court.
Usually they bring a cop to spare the CI that hassle, but not always.
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Are the narcs drug addicts or cops that work for drug units?
Both. Drug addicts often become confidential informants (CI) in order to stay out of jail and continue using drugs.
Anyone who is likely to get busted is statistically more likely to be a CI.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: pazzy]
#10562741 - 06/24/09 01:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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pazzy said: Smart dealers only go through green dot money transfers and never see their customers.
Completely anonymous, if you attract to much attention they can track the money paks but thats why you give them fake info when you register the card.
Is that like a credit card? How can you obtain one with fake details?
Is it for US only or outside too?
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Why doesn't every dealer require that their customer show up alone then? It seems that it would be next to impossible to get busted that way...
If the CI shows up alone and buys drugs that is enough to convict the dealer, if the CI testifies in court.
Usually they bring a cop to spare the CI that hassle, but not always.
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Are the narcs drug addicts or cops that work for drug units?
Both. Drug addicts often become confidential informants (CI) in order to stay out of jail and continue using drugs.
Anyone who is likely to get busted is statistically more likely to be a CI.
So the cops use small fish to get to much larger sharks 9dealers and suppliers)?
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: PsychoReactive]
#10562760 - 06/24/09 01:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So the cops use small fish to get to much larger sharks 9dealers and suppliers)?
Only when you don't know your rights. Always invoke your right to silence.
At some point in the booking procedure the police will usually ask you to become a narc, and promise reduced charges. Tell them you need a while to think about it and ask for their business card. As soon as you get home, throw away the card.
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Narcs and snitches will almost always wig the fuck out if you try to change details at the last minute. For example, if you're supposed to meet someone in a parking lot behind the Walmart, then call ahead and tell them to meet you at the gas station instead, they'll usually freak out because they want to be in absolute control of the situation in case bad things happen.
They'll also (usually) want to get in and get out as quickly as possible in order to suffer less exposure.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: Brennus]
#10563589 - 06/24/09 07:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's sites such as Who's a rat that detail informants identities using information procured from court records.
I guess you could contact a local lawyer/law student to do some digging for you around you county/cities courthouses, or have a go at it yourself:
http://www1.odcr.com/search.php http://searchenginez.com/courtrecords_usa.html
If you go to google, you can enter "court records" and your location, or even better: the court where drug offenses are likely to be tried.
Either way, it will likely cost you, but you'll get accurate information specific to your region.
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Do narcs ever go on aim and talk to you? What about on drug forums do they ever PM you? Or am I just being super paranoid? Is it right of me to delete my chat logs all the time? How much resources is a narc going to have, will they have enough time to chat with me for 10 minutes or do they just not have that much time?
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: PsychoReactive]
#10564599 - 06/24/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes it is US only at the moment.
If you want details on the ins and outs of greendot I can tell you through PM. I do not want to gunk this thread up, nor make a thread about it.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: Brennus]
#10565007 - 06/24/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Narcs and snitches will almost always wig the fuck out if you try to change details at the last minute. For example, if you're supposed to meet someone in a parking lot behind the Walmart, then call ahead and tell them to meet you at the gas station instead, they'll usually freak out because they want to be in absolute control of the situation in case bad things happen.
Good point. They will have several units in place and they can't just move them all at the last minute.
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Do narcs ever go on aim and talk to you?
Actual police will only when acting on a tip. CI's use AIM all the time to find victims to set up.
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What about on drug forums do they ever PM you?
They could be behind some of the sketchy PM's that get sent out.
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Is it right of me to delete my chat logs all the time?
That is a small step in the right direction, however incriminating information is stored in hundreds of places on your hard drive. Clearing one of those places will not change much.
ALWAYS encrypt your whole hard drive with truecrypt (pc) or filevault (mac) or encrypted linux partitions.
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How much resources is a narc going to have, will they have enough time to chat with me for 10 minutes or do they just not have that much time?
Some people you have known for a long time will get busted and narc, others will be new "friends".
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Yeah a good friend of mine got busted with a felony amount of weed and he only told a few people. Somehow he was able to not go to jail, instead of setting up his guys he was trying to set up his friends.
Luckily enough people knew to get the word out, and he doesn't have any friends anymore. He ended up going to jail and when he got out he left the state.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: pazzy]
#10565345 - 06/24/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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pazzy said: Smart dealers only go through green dot money transfers and never see their customers.
Completely anonymous, if you attract to much attention they can track the money paks but thats why you give them fake info when you register the card.
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pazzy said: Yes it is US only at the moment.
If you want details on the ins and outs of greendot I can tell you through PM. I do not want to gunk this thread up, nor make a thread about it.
I was under the impression that you needed to provide an SSN?
I will send you a PM.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: deCypher]
#10565431 - 06/24/09 03:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Why doesn't every dealer require that their customer show up alone then? It seems that it would be next to impossible to get busted that way...
There is no hard and fast rules here. Probable cause for arrest, charges, search warrants and reasonable doubt for convictions- beyond that no fast rules usually.
They don't have to have someone there. They don't have to have the snitch testify if he was buying drugs alone.
What they have to do is prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.\
If the guy will probably not sell to some new guy, according to the snitch, then they'll often send a detectie with the snitch to very neer the purchase point. The snitch will allegedly be searched completely before going to buy, and the police will wait and time everything. Then the snitch will come back in the car, less money and plus drugs. If possible they will observe, but if not, they'll just get as much info as they can.
Then the cop can testify as to what he saw, and they don't need the narc. They don't need to tell you who the narc is unless he will be a witness, usually per statute. It would seem they'd also have to tell you his name if he has evidence favorable to the defense, but good luck.
What you guys need to remember is that they don't *need* all these things you usually hear about because people confess. All they need to know is enough to frighten the dealer, and he'll confess, whether or not the information they tell the dealer is admissable, provable, or not.
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: johnm214]
#10566042 - 06/24/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A lot of time people get busted and turned into narcs.
The police can watch them from afar or but them and send them to do deals.
Pretty much if you are doing deals face to face you are not secure.
Even doing deals through the mail is not 100% secure.
This is why you should not sell drugs!
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Re: Does anybody know about how narcs operate [Re: pazzy]
#10570710 - 06/25/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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First of all, a narc is short for narcotics officer and means a cop. Sometimes it's used to mean an informer but normally refers to the cop. Cops often work in pairs not only so there is another witness but also for backup in case there is trouble. I had a negro cop come up to me years ago when i was in school and ask if i had any weed. He acted super flakey like a junkie but was asking for weed. I never saw him before or afterward. Needless to say i said no. I had another narc come up to me another time and ask if i had any bags of columbian and i said no. He said he was only looking for that because he didn't get off on jamaican or whatever. Then a little later he came back and said he might try it and see if he got off. I said i didn't have any (but i did). So they can be smart or dumb or flakey. If you don't know them, don't deal with them.
Don't think you can sell fake drugs to a narc and get away with it. The penalties for fake drugs are the same as for real ones. Saying "i didn't say it was coke i said it was toot" will not get you off. If the cop thought it was drugs then you are busted. The judge will come down on you hard.
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