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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
    #13178734 - 09/11/10 04:52 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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PLEASE HELP!!!!!!


does anyone here know anything about strain b of psilocybe mexicana and how well it fruits/if it fruits on rye grain and vermiculite? also, you don't have to sterilize the vermiculite right?



This is a cube strain discussion thread.  Your asking about mex-b which isnt a cube.  I dont know how well mex-b fruits but you dont have to sterilize verm i use it straight out of the bag.  Pasterization is better than sterilization anyway.





It should be a discussion/thread about all actives at the very least...The title says Strain/Race/Variety...doesn't say anything about species though.

I think if anything it would be cool to see a similar thread but about other species.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #13178946 - 09/11/10 07:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I think if anything it would be cool to see a similar thread but about other species.




There's no rule against starting a separate thread in the main forum body for other species. So I dunno why you'd want to cram them into single thread like this one.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #13178988 - 09/11/10 07:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here's one about other species, not quite the same topic:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11795004#11795004


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
    #13191104 - 09/13/10 07:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here's some random strain porn.

These are Amazonian dimples:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #13191173 - 09/13/10 07:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's some random strain porn.

These are Amazonian dimples:





i think my pin grew a little just now.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Squiddie]
    #13193567 - 09/14/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

More Strain porn:
Compare these Orissa caps to the amazon above. Orissa have a more spherical appearance, similar to B+. The caps are more brown than red.


Here's another trait you see on many strains, this blue ring around the bottom perimeter of the cap most visible around the time the veil is breaking.


Orissa often wrinkles up like this around the collar.


The pins' heads balloon out much earlier than the amazon. Where an amazon pin will typically look like those russian dolls, Orissa will be more of a lollipop.


This leads to some of the caps having a perimeter than is more assymetric:

You'll also see some split caps if you let orissa caps open all the way.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #13193941 - 09/14/10 11:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

:bow2:  Keep up the good work, very useful observations!


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #13194288 - 09/14/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have a question for you guys I'm new at growing shrooms but have found it to be a fun hobby, I have some golden teachers growing as well as some chitwan nepals, I love the bulk and size of my GT but the colonizing speed of the nepals is about double that of the GT, is there anyway to cross these 2 strains and if so how do you do that thanks for all your help


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Psilonapsis]
    #13194315 - 09/14/10 01:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

These were grown underthe exact same conditions

BPK


GC


All the BPK and all the GC all look the same.  Can you spot the difference?  I sure the fuck can.  All the GC are short and fat while all the BPK are longer with conical caps.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Psilonapsis]
    #13194892 - 09/14/10 03:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I have a question for you guys I'm new at growing shrooms but have found it to be a fun hobby, I have some golden teachers growing as well as some chitwan nepals, I love the bulk and size of my GT but the colonizing speed of the nepals is about double that of the GT, is there anyway to cross these 2 strains and if so how do you do that thanks for all your help





Yeah it's possible, but not necessarily fun. I find it more fun and interesting to just play with the strains the vendors put out. Trying to create a new strain is a lot of work.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #13195378 - 09/14/10 05:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I have a question for you guys I'm new at growing shrooms but have found it to be a fun hobby, I have some golden teachers growing as well as some chitwan nepals, I love the bulk and size of my GT but the colonizing speed of the nepals is about double that of the GT, is there anyway to cross these 2 strains and if so how do you do that thanks for all your help





Yeah it's possible, but not necessarily fun. I find it more fun and interesting to just play with the strains the vendors put out. Trying to create a new strain is a lot of work.






wrong allll wrong

cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain , if you crossed those thats crossing strains , you need snake venom for shit like that and its very hard, its like a pig and a elephant

to cross a cubensis with another cubensis is just like pairing a white person with another white person

what you are experiencing is genetic traits of multi spore, thats why some is faster at colonizing then others

what you could do is take clones , grow those out , get a good isolation and try to pair to clones and isolate that
thats how people get perfect pinsets with good meaty fruits, is hard work, and alot of dedication

i prefer multispore for this reason , im lazy and like to trade 


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jokefox]
    #13195418 - 09/14/10 05:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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what you could do is take clones , grow those out , get a good isolation and try to pair to clones and isolate that




Huh?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jokefox]
    #13195432 - 09/14/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain



Cubensis and Pleurotus (Oyster Mushrooms) are two separate species:super:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf]
    #13195593 - 09/14/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain



Cubensis and Pleurotus (Oyster Mushrooms) are two separate species:super:




^^^ Word.  Jokefox you gotta get this straight man.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #13195765 - 09/14/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain



Cubensis and Pleurotus (Oyster Mushrooms) are two separate species:super:




^^^ Word.  Jokefox you gotta get this straight man.




Wow, but is going to be a shot in the dark....

I think that JF might have been referring to a process
that I have heard RR refer to.  You grow two isolates
on the same dish and watch how the areas of interaction
form.

You look for the humina-humina to look like yadda-yadda,
and I am going to stop now.

Did this jog anyone's memory?

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Javadog]
    #13195804 - 09/14/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry, AFAIK JF's statement is just simply wrong (no offence Jokefox, and I think you probably know the difference but just misspoke).  A multispore culture of cubensis or oysters can/will have many strains.  The statement that cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain quite obviously confuses the word strain with species.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #13195835 - 09/14/10 06:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You know...I may have been referring to a way that RR
suggested to *test* a potential cross.

This is what I get for wandering into the Advanced forum...

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #13198173 - 09/15/10 08:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry, AFAIK JF's statement is just simply wrong (no offence Jokefox, and I think you probably know the difference but just misspoke).  A multispore culture of cubensis or oysters can/will have many strains.  The statement that cubensis is a strain and oysters are a strain quite obviously confuses the word strain with species.



Strains of Pleurotus specie(Oyster Mushrooms) are as follows;
Pink, blue, elm, yellow, ect.

Strains of the cubensis specie are as follows;
APE, PE, BHT, KSSS, ect.

Not different variances of the same MS culture.
That would be genetics that vary from a MS culture.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf]
    #13198219 - 09/15/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, blue, yellow, etc, oysters are actually different species, not strains.  As far as I know, there are no strains for any species of mushrooms except for psychoactive species.  Such as mexicana a strain, cubensis PE, etc.  I've never heard of "oyster nj" or anything like that.

Joke fox, oysters and cubensis are two different species.  Strains are really just a different name for "sub-species", i.e. select genetic populations of a given species that have certain aspects that are distinct from a different select genetic population, such as PE, KSSS, etc.  Mating two species is, like you said, as easy as two people mating, but they don't have to be white, they can be any color/race.  That's why people have proposed race as a different name, because it relates better to how we view different genetic variations within our own species.

You're right though, the way you described it would be the best way to achieve a desired trait, but you would also have to add the step of taking the clone of an isolated fruit and a clone of another isolated fruit, both the desired traits you'd like to combine, put them on agar, and let them meet to form their own sector or sectors.  Then isolate those sectors, grow each one out, and you should have the desired cross breeding.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf]
    #13198221 - 09/15/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Strains of Pleurotus specie(Oyster Mushrooms) are as follows;
Pink, blue, elm, yellow, ect.




Pink Oyster: species: Pleurotus djamor
Blue Oyster: species: Pleurotus ostreatus
Elm Oyster: species: Hypsizygus ulmarius
Yellow Oyster: species: Pleurotus citrinopileatus

Not strains but species (plural).


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