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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
#13169447 - 09/09/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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really? someone found a cube in the desert?Quote:
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LiquidMyce said: PE is the one that was found then isolated near a nuclear waste plant, no?
Yea that is oak ridge found in the dessert where the a-bomb was tested in NV I think. PE was found in the amazon wild I believe looking like a penis and further isolated to maintain those characteristics
so, y can NOT another cube fit that bill yo? your saying p.e. was found in the wild, and looked different, something that can be said about many cubes. it was then isolated to maintain those characteristics, which many people here do regularly with thier cubes. in doing this, a cube was born that passed down its genetics (through spores) to its progeny. nothing unique about this process yet, in fact it happens in nature as a rule and we call it evolution. it also happens in our work areas daily. my question is still: y is p.e. the ONLY cube that has been through this process and had it stick?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: idunno]
#13169517 - 09/09/10 09:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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idunno said: They just say a cube is a cube B/C A) they usually have the same growth parameters, Ie temps substrate etc, B) Usually same colouring, IE yellow to orange caps white stems- C) contain around the same active chemical ratios- of psilicibon psycilian .5 to 2.2%. Thats why they say a cube is a cube-
i guess im missing the point then, but are you saying p.e. does NOT fit into that description?
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my question is still: y is p.e. the ONLY cube that has been through this process and had it stick?
It's the only one you can tell with.
Take Koh Samui- my experience was the opposite of above, I got tall slender soft fruits. Super potent, but not squat and fat. Did I get something that had been misnamed? Or was it environmental? Or do the genetics vary? No way to tell.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#13169560 - 09/09/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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my question is still: y is p.e. the ONLY cube that has been through this process and had it stick?
It's the only one you can tell with.
Take Koh Samui- my experience was the opposite of above, I got tall slender soft fruits. Super potent, but not squat and fat. Did I get something that had been misnamed? Or was it environmental? Or do the genetics vary? No way to tell.
Did you use KS or KSSS? KSSS is the short fat one.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#13169680 - 09/09/10 10:05 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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my question is still: y is p.e. the ONLY cube that has been through this process and had it stick?
It's the only one you can tell with.
Take Koh Samui- my experience was the opposite of above, I got tall slender soft fruits. Super potent, but not squat and fat. Did I get something that had been misnamed? Or was it environmental? Or do the genetics vary? No way to tell.
i think many are like that, so similar you cant really tell. a 'cube is a cube' sticks because its pretty much true- untill you get one with obvious differences. and theres more of those than just p.e., enough that 'a cube is a cube' just isnt true. since everyone is isolating these days i think it will become less true as the years go by.
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truskool
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Everyone isolates PE for the same characteristics, while with other cubes the characteristics isolated for will be different depending on the individual doing the selection. Without a doubt there are inherent characteristics in all "sub-strains" of cubes. PE looks like PE Koh Samui looks like Koh samui. Doc Im about to grow out some Koh samui when I get some prints ill send you one and you tell me wat happens. I gaurantee it will be short and fat, I think you got a mislabeled print. Which happens so much here
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
#13169762 - 09/09/10 10:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the parents are short and fat, then the offspring will tend to be. That's pretty obvious. Doesn't prove or imply mislabeling, just a different branch of the family tree.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
#13169774 - 09/09/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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truskool said: Everyone isolates PE for the same characteristics, while with other cubes the characteristics isolated for will be different depending on the individual doing the selection. Without a doubt there are inherent characteristics in all "sub-strains" of cubes. PE looks like PE Koh Samui looks like Koh samui. Doc Im about to grow out some Koh samui when I get some prints ill send you one and you tell me wat happens. I gaurantee it will be short and fat, I think you got a mislabeled print. Which happens so much here
Ill take that challenge for those short fat bastards one of the most intresting traits to me, idunno y just attractive
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#13169799 - 09/09/10 10:42 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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See I don't believe that at all. The fruits have been domesticated so isolated and isolated so that they consistently portray the isolated traits. Sure once in a while you can have an off shoot that goes backward and portrays traits that aren't the characteristic traits of that "sub-strain" but your most likely to get fruits like the ones that the strain has been isolated for. I have grown out a shroom or two and grown many different types of strains. certain strains produce certain characteristics 98% of the time. I know there is going to be lots of haters on me over this but this is my experience and one I wont back down from. I have to say i hate agreeing with anoyingjon but he showed clear examples one's ive seen myself many times and they parallel
idunno im working on a tek that i will post later today and ill inoculate a jar or two of that tek with the koh samui when it grows out ill send you a print just to show that im not talking shit
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool] 1
#13169851 - 09/09/10 10:54 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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truskool said: I have to say i hate agreeing with anoyingjon but he showed clear examples one's ive seen myself many times and they parallel
maybe you should finally delete the nasty remarks from my ratings... 
btw i think ima change my name to anoyingjon, thats a great suggestion
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: idunno]
#13169939 - 09/09/10 11:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that PE was a genetic defect that stayed, Like albino's there are concentrations of populations in Africa of albino people- that b/c in history they were ostracized and they mated, continuing the trait making it recessive dominant- kinda like red hair in Irish- same thing i think with Pe just 2 cents-
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13170022 - 09/09/10 11:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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truskool said: I have to say i hate agreeing with anoyingjon but he showed clear examples one's ive seen myself many times and they parallel
maybe you should finally delete the nasty remarks from my ratings... 
btw i think ima change my name to anoyingjon, thats a great suggestion
You were a totall fucking douche to noobie who didnt deserve it. Since i went in and chked that noobie and alot of my friends have been nice to change your zero shrooms to five, ill think about it
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
#13170083 - 09/09/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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PLEASE HELP!!!!!!
does anyone here know anything about strain b of psilocybe mexicana and how well it fruits/if it fruits on rye grain and vermiculite? also, you don't have to sterilize the vermiculite right?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: labobo]
#13170110 - 09/09/10 11:50 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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labobo said: PLEASE HELP!!!!!!
does anyone here know anything about strain b of psilocybe mexicana and how well it fruits/if it fruits on rye grain and vermiculite? also, you don't have to sterilize the vermiculite right?
This is a cube strain discussion thread. Your asking about mex-b which isnt a cube. I dont know how well mex-b fruits but you dont have to sterilize verm i use it straight out of the bag. Pasterization is better than sterilization anyway.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#13170216 - 09/09/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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truskool said:
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LiquidMyce said: PE is the one that was found then isolated near a nuclear waste plant, no?
Yea that is oak ridge found in the dessert where the a-bomb was tested in NV I think. PE was found in the amazon wild I believe looking like a penis and further isolated to maintain those characteristics
PE looked like every other cube when it was discovered in the amazon b4 it was worked on by workman.
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Doc_T said: Oak Ridge is in Tennessee. Los Alamos, NM is where the Trinity test took place. Both locations were crucial to the Manhattan Project.

heres 90% of the story behind PE, workman knows the rest. 
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11943974
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13170417 - 09/09/10 01:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Classic article, definitely a great read.
I'm glad the idea that a cube is a cube is finally dying. Took long enough.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
#13170438 - 09/09/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Classic article, definitely a great read.
Certainly entertaining, but that thing has bullshit written all over it But hey, everything should have a good back story.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
#13170448 - 09/09/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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libertaire said: Classic article, definitely a great read.
Certainly entertaining, but that thing has bullshit written all over it But hey, everything should have a good back story.
Lots of it is indeed sensational journalism, and intended to be for entertainment, but in terms of the history of PE, it looks to be pretty dead on, as far as anyone knows at least.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
#13170740 - 09/09/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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there's comments at the end on it where workman straightens out some off the falsehoods of the story. the author took a few liberties with his journalism.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: labobo]
#13172095 - 09/09/10 07:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks trusk,i didn't realize it was just cubensis in this thread but anyway i meant to say pasteurization not sterilization.
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