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jokefox
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
#13157782 - 09/06/10 11:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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the best thing to do IMO is to get a thai strain
theres a reason theres a full moon festival
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jokefox]
#13158331 - 09/07/10 03:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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jokefox said: there all the same
Jokey, we all know you're mostly right, but if that's all you ever have to contribute to this thread, you might as well not follow it!
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
#13158891 - 09/07/10 10:03 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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they are not exactly same. They have deferents in fruits size, colonization speed, yield and some say one strain is easer to grow then another strain. For example GT's is harder to grow than B+ or I am wrong?? The 80% stuff i know I have read in this website so tell my if have understand something wrong
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Sw1pe]
#13158950 - 09/07/10 10:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah...here's the problem...I have found that both Roatan and Texan were very strong and easy grows.
...but I absolutely cannot exclude factors other than genetics
I am certain that the qualities of my grows have varied more from my own vacillations. (loose then packed, hot then room temp, too-wet then too-dry, etc)
I see differences. I can tell one fruit from the other. (warning: it can get harder after they dry! ;0)
I think that I will reserve comment while I gather data.
(but I fall on the other side from the cube-is-a-cube team, for arcane reasons)
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Sw1pe] 1
#13160410 - 09/07/10 03:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sw1pe said: they are not exactly same. They have deferents in fruits size, colonization speed, yield and some say one strain is easer to grow then another strain. For example GT's is harder to grow than B+ or I am wrong?? The 80% stuff i know I have read in this website so tell my if have understand something wrong
You don't have it wrong. The mods spread misinformation that all cubes are the same, that traits don't down pass down thru spores, blah blah. It's total bs.
Their real motivation is to downplay the differences in strains so that the noobs don't clutter up the entire forum with retarded posts. Also it keeps the vendors from trying to promote a new fad strain. It's a slippery slope type deal, so in the name of combating misinformation, they intentionally spread the falsehood that every cube strain contains the same genes as every other cube strain. Kinda funny if you ask me.
The lie is obvious on it's face. Cube strains are very distinctive once you get to know them. We just deal with it. It's a lie that serves a purpose. Just don't be an idiot who actually believes that you could buy puerto and have it come out looking like b+ or buying ape and have it come out looking like koh samui.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13160464 - 09/07/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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Sw1pe said: they are not exactly same. They have deferents in fruits size, colonization speed, yield and some say one strain is easer to grow then another strain. For example GT's is harder to grow than B+ or I am wrong?? The 80% stuff i know I have read in this website so tell my if have understand something wrong
You don't have it wrong. The mods spread misinformation that all cubes are the same, that traits don't down pass down thru spores, blah blah. It's total bs.
Their real motivation is to downplay the differences in strains so that the noobs don't clutter up the entire forum with retarded posts. Also it keeps the vendors from trying to promote a new fad strain. It's a slippery slope type deal, so in the name of combating misinformation, they intentionally spread the falsehood that every cube strain contains the same genes as every other cube strain. Kinda funny if you ask me.
The lie is obvious on it's face. Cube strains are very distinctive once you get to know them. We just deal with it. It's a lie that serves a purpose. Just don't be an idiot who actually believes that you could buy puerto and have it come out looking like b+ or buying ape and have it come out looking like koh samui.
thanks for info, I get your point. I never believed people who saying that all cubes are same, I don't know it just looked strange for me. Any way I still ordered Orissa India and Pesa strains as way didn't gave my the answer just told they are same ;/
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon] 1
#13160481 - 09/07/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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Sw1pe said: they are not exactly same. They have deferents in fruits size, colonization speed, yield and some say one strain is easer to grow then another strain. For example GT's is harder to grow than B+ or I am wrong?? The 80% stuff i know I have read in this website so tell my if have understand something wrong
You don't have it wrong. The mods spread misinformation that all cubes are the same, that traits don't down pass down thru spores, blah blah. It's total bs.
Their real motivation is to downplay the differences in strains so that the noobs don't clutter up the entire forum with retarded posts. Also it keeps the vendors from trying to promote a new fad strain. It's a slippery slope type deal, so in the name of combating misinformation, they intentionally spread the falsehood that every cube strain contains the same genes as every other cube strain. Kinda funny if you ask me.
The lie is obvious on it's face. Cube strains are very distinctive once you get to know them. We just deal with it. It's a lie that serves a purpose. Just don't be an idiot who actually believes that you could buy puerto and have it come out looking like b+ or buying ape and have it come out looking like koh samui.
and you wonder why you got your TCtag pulled.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13160486 - 09/07/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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It depends on luck, I've had some very different looking fruits from the same spore syringe.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13161099 - 09/07/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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and you wonder why you got your TCtag pulled. 
For exposing the fib?
If you paid for Redboy and clearly got Penis Envy, would you think it was the magic of random genetics?
If you paid for puerto and got amazon, would you not notice?
If you paid for APE and got Koh Samui, would you not doubt that there was a mixup?
I guess that's what you are saying; that you are one of the people that's convinced the sky is purple. It's so obvious I have to doubt your intellectual capacity.
But clearly you think the opposite, that I am an idiot. I guess I am. I'm an idiot like Workman, the Hawk, and Ralph who work very hard at bringing us these awesome distinctive strains. Clearly these idiots don't realize that traits don't carry thru generations of spores.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13161111 - 09/07/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think there different when they come from different regions
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13161329 - 09/07/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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13shrooms said:
and you wonder why you got your TCtag pulled. 
For exposing the fib?
If you paid for Redboy and clearly got Penis Envy, would you think it was the magic of random genetics?
If you paid for puerto and got amazon, would you not notice?
If you paid for APE and got Koh Samui, would you not doubt that there was a mixup?
I guess that's what you are saying; that you are one of the people that's convinced the sky is purple. It's so obvious I have to doubt your intellectual capacity.
But clearly you think the opposite, that I am an idiot. I guess I am. I'm an idiot like Workman, the Hawk, and Ralph who work very hard at bringing us these awesome distinctive strains. Clearly these idiots don't realize that traits don't carry thru generations of spores.

you are nothing like Workman and as for ralph he gets his prints from people I know so you cant even put yourself in any category with them. 
but what Im sayin is that if you got an peurto rican syringe and an pesh or amazon or any other reg cube you couldn't tell the diff if you grew them out without labeling each one.
the only cubes that stick out are the PE variety or the non purple spore droppers or albinos. all the rest look like they look because of their environment/conditions they grew in. there are very few exceptions when it comes to cubes.
with select isolation you can make your own custom cubes after many generations of selecting characteristics whether it be for potency or looks, in mycology your god if you want to be, otherwise its up to the genetics and the roll of the dice of what your chosen cube looks like.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13161396 - 09/07/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13161909 - 09/07/10 08:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: but what Im sayin is that if you got an peurto rican syringe and an pesh or amazon or any other reg cube you couldn't tell the diff if you grew them out without labeling each one.
yes I can.
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the only cubes that stick out are the PE variety or the non purple spore droppers or albinos. all the rest look like they look because of their environment/conditions they grew in. there are very few exceptions when it comes to cubes.
You're just wrong. I dunno how else to say it. Spend some time flipping thru Cervantes strain journal. Or spend some time browsing the catalog at Sporeworks Ralphsters or the Hawk. There's a lot of variety.
I feel like you're saying fish don't live in the sea or humans don't need oxygen to live. It just flies in the face of reality.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13162255 - 09/07/10 09:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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all the rest look like they look because of their environment/conditions they grew in.
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You're just wrong. I dunno how else to say it. Spend some time flipping thru Cervantes strain journal. Or spend some time browsing the catalog at Sporeworks Ralphsters or the Hawk. There's a lot of variety.
variety of cubes all grown in diff environmental conditions and geographical locations is why they look different. 
Ive read every page Cervantes has in all of his journal entries and have used about every strain active/non-active from most of the top sponsors.
I spent over a year just reading everything about cultivation b4 I made 1 post on here or even cultivated anything. I wouldnt have even said anything unless I felt you were leading someone astray. those are your opinions not fact and I dont give out my opinions as advice. but Im not tryin to be all personal with you just dont go saying theres some big conspiracy about telling the diff between substrains of cubes. 
Ill find an Asian from china and an asian from thailand and well see if you can tell me geographically where/what kind of human I have.. or a European from some dude in N.Y. city... yeah you can tell the diff between Americans and African and Asians but aside from the freaks (like PE) their are very few differences besides from geographical areas or the environment they were grown in.
order the same sub-strain of cube from diff sponsors and grow them out and see if they even look anything like the pic from the sponsor you purchased them from. they will look like whatever they adapted to from the most optimal conditions you provided for them. substrate/lighting/Rh/fae/temps are what decide looks unless your using clones/iso. 
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13162433 - 09/07/10 09:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pissing contest! 
You 2 need to shut up.
Ps. strains are as follows.
cyan sub Azure Cubensis.
Cube "Race" is what you all are speaking of. Different parts of the world said cube originates from is the race. There in lies the difference between said cube varieties.
All other names slapped on cubes after that is some jerk off playing god after isolating said cube!
If you think you are the master, try growing another Ps. strain besides a cubensis.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13162469 - 09/07/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: substrate/lighting/Rh/fae/temps are what decide looks unless your using clones/iso.
I mostly agree with you, but I have to point out this last part of your post.
Not a big deal, but just because you have an iso doesn't mean they are all going to look the same either. The iso will still have to adapt/be effected by the environment.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#13162493 - 09/07/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That'd be species... Those are Psilocybe species.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: stonesun]
#13162872 - 09/07/10 11:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Base Icks]
#13162909 - 09/07/10 11:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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see if you can tell me ... a European from some dude in N.Y. city...
Look at the teeth. Also, Europeans are rarely circumcised except for religious reasons.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#13162924 - 09/07/10 11:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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 well, i guess you will have to figure out if he is circumcised... ill pass on that, guess i wont know for sure if they are european
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