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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Digitalsafari]
    #13027495 - 08/09/10 03:55 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

No prob, i'll ad more to it later, there are a few other strains that can be commented on.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Giallo]
    #13027509 - 08/09/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Well i'll go with the old Afoaf scenario here.

But Cubensis strains afoaf has experienced are:

Thai: Koh Samui
Very contam resistant strain that is quick to pin/fruit. They are the fastest pinners in his experience, and have medium sized fruit 9on compost). The trip they provide is really 'speedy', and mostly body buzz. There are some visuals but it's more a speed/vibe than anything. The trip is clean, speedy, and shorter than most cubensis.

Thai: Lipa Yai
Slightly slower than Koh Samui in all respects. The yield is comparable, but still seems a little lighter. Not really any advantage with these over KS. The trip is a little different. not as overwhelming in the speed department, but there still rockets. Worth checkin if you like Koh samui's, probably not if you don't.

Palenque/Mexi
Decent colonizer and easy pins, not the quickest or most contam resistant strain. I guess average is right where these land in the cultivation time frame, and they have small fruit bodies. The trip is very light, very little body buzz with mild visuals. So lower on the potency scale due to the light visuals, and minimal body buzz. Good times but not what I think most will be looking for. 

Mazatapec
This is an interesting one all around. It has bright white mycellium, colonizes a few days slower than average, but fruits fairly quickly. Medium sized mushrooms and no real trouble getting these to pin. Now getting good spore prints from them is another story. They don't wanna leave very dark or heavily sporulated prints often. Which is very frustrating considering they are my favorite strain. The trip they provide is excellent, very fun. They have a great body and mind feeling and some strong visuals. Nothing overwhelming but everything seems alright when your on them. Definitely providing the best overall felling and trip, to my friend..

Ecuador:
Another standard colonizer, fairly high yielding, and produces large fruits. It also gives great spore prints, flushes easily on compost (but was a stubburn, unproductive, pain on pf cakes). Quicker second flushes with decent yields are typical. The trip is pretty intense, lots of visuals. There is some moderate body buzz, but nothing strong/speedy like the KS. Pretty long trip, that seems to take a while before you peak. Overall a very solid strain.

PES Hawaiian
This is actually a somewhat fast colonizer on pf cakes, and very contam resistant. Works great on compost or straw, and has good yeildage. Second and third flushes are tricky (needing more maintence than others) at times and often disappointing. Very Large fruits are common and they're also quite dense. The trip is pretty amazing, and very heady. There is a pretty good body buzz, but it's pleasant and not overwhelming. The visuals are definitely there, and they make for entertaining times with friends. The come down is pretty awful though. They have to be draining of all the cubes (so far), not very 'clean' on the come down.

Malaysian
'Mutants' They love to mutate and aren't very fast colonizers. Come to thnik of it they are fairly slow consuming bulk substrates as well. Good luck getting consistent spore prints from these, because they wont cooperate. Can't comment on the trip, sorry..





i thought this was all aready on the first page


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: jokefox]
    #13027740 - 08/09/10 04:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Really? it included the trips, not just the generic 'trip description' terms lifted from Ryche Hawks old website. Which I see he's removed, as well as removing spore prints. Didn't recall reading the overpowering speed and tremendous body high Thai Ks deliver there, i'll go back and check though.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Giallo]
    #13027987 - 08/09/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

im sure the "trips" were an individual thing im 100% that if we both took the same shrooms
we would experience different trips


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: jokefox]
    #13028033 - 08/09/10 05:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

cube is a cube except pe


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: jokefox]
    #13028315 - 08/09/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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im sure the "trips" were an individual thing im 100% that if we both took the same shrooms
we would experience different trips



It's not individual when everyone your with notes them for the same buzz (especially over several years). Every trip is different for each individual but the strains do provide their own unique feeling. Roadkill knows the difference in strains/trips, so do I, so do others. If there all the same to you or others fine.

Different indicas and sativas, give up diff effects, but i'm sure you disagree..


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Giallo]
    #13028625 - 08/09/10 07:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

strains with weed is totaly different with strains of cubes

so dont even start

im tired of noobs thinking they know all this shit
that doesent even exist

all cubes are the same thing
mycelium fruit bodies , from the same ps.cubensis
i could call it pesh and if it was b+ you would never know
becuase they look exactly the same
becuase they are


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: jokefox]
    #13028654 - 08/09/10 07:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yup. i gotta agree. Only reason you may notice a major dif in one strain to the next strain is b/c you were using MS. So ofcourse they are all going to give you dif levels and types of trips.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: TacoHerder]
    #13030709 - 08/10/10 08:04 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Will this debate ever end?  A cube is a cube except pe, and albino strains, and red spored strains, but overall, you can definitely expect to see (not guaranteed though) certain traits show up in certain strains.  For instance, it's definitely true that OI and South American strains have both put out some very large fruits for more than one person.  And I've had traits in Ecuador strain show up which I've seen in other people's EC grows, but only if they are on cakes.  But overall, it is a crap shoot with potency, and is based on so many factors both in the person and in the mushroom, that to say that "this strain has this much potency and will feel like this" is not something anyone could possibly say with confidence.  Sure you've had a personal experience with it, but just like anything in life, your personal subjective experience is not going to be the same as anyone else's, based on too many factors to go into here.

The only sure fire difference is with strains that have been drastically genetically isolated/altered, such as PE and albinos, both of which are known to be much higher in potency on a constant basis. Other than that, it's all random genetics and could lead to anything.

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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: libertaire]
    #13030780 - 08/10/10 08:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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For instance, it's definitely true that OI and South American strains have both put out some very large fruits for more than one person.  And I've had traits in Ecuador strain show up which I've seen in other people's EC grows,




Vendors buy prints from growers, and then sell them as whatever the grower says. Or whatever they feel like calling it.
If you see similar traits... that's confirmation bias.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: libertaire]
    #13030788 - 08/10/10 08:39 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

a cube is a cube and each individuals "expierance" will be unique to each individual no matter the variety consumed. 
and to me that makes "trip reports" completely usless for for anything other than entertainment.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Doc_T]
    #13030970 - 08/10/10 09:53 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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For instance, it's definitely true that OI and South American strains have both put out some very large fruits for more than one person.  And I've had traits in Ecuador strain show up which I've seen in other people's EC grows,




Vendors buy prints from growers, and then sell them as whatever the grower says. Or whatever they feel like calling it.
If you see similar traits... that's confirmation bias.




Some traits are undeniable.  For instance, in my example with EC, several people who were using pf cakes had extremely bulbous pinheads that turned into a bulbous base.  I experienced this first hand and witnessed several other cases.  That obviously doesn't mean that ecuador will always do this, but it's a trait that is in it's genetics.  That's not confirmation bias, it's a trait that I observed independently, and then had that trait confirmed in several other independent grows, yet also a trait that has not been observed in any other strain that I am aware of.  Similar things can be said for several other strains, such as ksss.  However, I do agree that this is an exception to the rule, and by and large, any cube will have the potential to produce any plethora of phenotypes. However, what is in a specific cube's genotype is anyone's guess, but given the proper conditions on a number of separate occasions, can be inferred.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: libertaire]
    #13031179 - 08/10/10 11:04 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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, any cube will have the potential to produce any plethora of phenotypes




I agree that they tend to look like their parents I just don't think you can use the name to match characteristics in general.
Oak Ridge has warts, right?


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Doc_T]
    #13031913 - 08/10/10 02:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Through the magic of random genetics I suppose a white couple could have a black baby. But it sure isn't very likely.

A cube is a cube is a cube except for this and except for that and oh yah except for this too....

They can be diff colors, sizes, shapes, and can even have different colored spores...but apart from those things...they're EXACTLY alike.

I find this line of reasoning very irritating. Clearly some of these genetic lines have genes or combinations of genes that make them unique from other cubensis lines.

Do the vendors get carried away with the names? Sure they do, but so what? why is it a problem? Do you guys have a similar problem with Mary J? Do you want to go on their forums and argue that differences between marijuana strains are figments of their imagination?

If you think all cubes are the same, stay out of the the strain thread for christ sake.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: anonjon]
    #13032304 - 08/10/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Clearly some of these genetic lines have genes or combinations of genes that make them unique from other cubensis lines.




Sure, each subline has traits that are carried forward.
But the only way to make that match the name on the syringe is if everybody everywhere always labeled every print correctly without error or BS.

If you have EQ and I have EQ, those may or may not even be related. Like two people named Smith.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Doc_T]
    #13032664 - 08/10/10 04:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The problem is that there is no rigorous standards in maintaining a genetic line.  I've discussed this before, trying to figure out a way to make standards, so that certain genetic lines could be verified to be the same, in this very thread I believe.  Let's see if I can find it...

Yea, starting here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12479257#12479257

Same exact discussion we're having now.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: libertaire]
    #13032672 - 08/10/10 04:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Same exact discussion we're having now.




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That's why it's quarantined.

You know what we need to do- establish some Shroomery Strains. Couple of respected growers isolate X, Y or Z and then release it as marked prints.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Doc_T]
    #13032686 - 08/10/10 04:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting idea Doc.


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Doc_T]
    #13032694 - 08/10/10 04:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Same exact discussion we're having now.




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That's why it's quarantined.

You know what we need to do- establish some Shroomery Strains. Couple of respected growers isolate X, Y or Z and then release it as marked prints.




Exactly.  It's a case of "This is what we need to do!", "I know, so let's do it!" and then no one does it.

The problem is that what a strain is "supposed" to look like is very subjective, so one would likely have to start with wild material and base that strain's attributes on what the wild specimens look like.  Who wants to go through that kind of work or is lucky enough to live in an area that they can collect wild material?

Would it be possible to come up with a set of characteristics for currently distributed "strains"?  At the very least to preserve what we think they're supposed to look like?  And is this sort of work even worth the effort?


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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: libertaire]
    #13032766 - 08/10/10 04:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Would it be possible to come up with a set of characteristics for currently distributed "strains"?




Sure. Take this thread as a starting point.

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And is this sort of work even worth the effort?



I don't think so, but some people do. It's not futile.


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