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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: ProfessorPinHead] * 1
    #14228601 - 04/02/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That is my stance on it, but from a genetic stand point PE is a cube so it gets complicated.




Ah see, that could maybe be a not-so-right conclusion.  It could vary genetically from other cubes yet still breed with them (horse+male donkey=mule, donkey+male horse=hinny, both are sterile crosses (almost always :wink:)).  It could have point mutations in the DNA, it could have an epigenetic marker acting to slow down the growth at normal temps, raise the alkaloid content, or extends the alkaloid pumping stage which appears to shut off when the spores mature.  God knows what - I'm just speculating.:shrug:

But without sequencing the DNA you wouldn't know the first, and good luck with the other options.

Whatever it is it seems to be stable, but it seems that selecting for spore printing caps drives it slowly back to the standard phenotype.  I've not grown it yet, but plan to, and if this is true it would say something about the mix of genes and expression control it has.  Selection will get you all kind of stuff, including hairless cats (the favorite pets of Wookies :lol:).



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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #14228639 - 04/02/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:wizard::mushroomgrow:

still a cubensis.  :twitchy:


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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: 13shrooms] * 1
    #14228755 - 04/02/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:wizard::scaryshroom:



nu uh, radio-active mutant :super:

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    #14229122 - 04/02/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: 13shrooms] * 1
    #14229207 - 04/03/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:wizard::mushroom2:

a is a


Not saying it's not.  But a hinny ain't a mule either. And there are occasional instances where they CAN breed...

The way I understand it, the point at which speciation occurs is when there are no viable offspring of a cross (well kind of obviously) because the two lines have diverged and developed on their own long enough to be incompatible.  Chromosomes play a weird game and have tricks up their sleeves genetic science is only beginning to grasp.

But look at it this way - phenotypes.  PE strains have a weird phenotype.  You breed for the phenotype and you get the other characteristics.  I'm trying to think of a good example in domestic plants - take giant sunflowers for instance.  If you repeatedly plant seed from the biggest ones - and keep stray pollen out of the flowers - you get bigger ones.  If you just plant the seeds will letting them be cross-pollinated by run-of-the-mill sunflowers they get smaller.  That's how they got the big ones. :shrug:  Or take dope...well, I ain't going there.:lol:

There's variation in the gene action and selection works on that.  Thousands of generations of PE breeding might eventually produce a strain that isn't cross-fertile with the wild phenotype anymore. But I'm sure this "argument" will still be going on the whole damn time. :laugh2:

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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #14229802 - 04/03/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



                            :minigun:
:penis::penis::penis::penis::penis::penis:


They may be mutants, but they are sure as fuck still cubes
in my book!!!!!

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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: ProfessorPinHead] * 1
    #14230126 - 04/03/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



I ain't going there again, it's become pointless. :tinfoil: It makes no fucking difference. :lol: Yes they be cubes. :zombie2:



Ha ha, April fool (well how the hell would I know what day it really is...?) 

Phenotypical expression covers a wide range of expressed traits.  They may all be cubes but when I grow the motherfuckers I want to optimize alkaloid content over my grow conditions and I want stronger ones in general because in my extended experience stronger shrooms are trippier.

If a mutation gives me that - I've seen them in cubes and once in Ps. cyanescens (grew that one for many years, stronger than any cube, fruited on grain at room temps, trips beyond awesome) - then I'm all for mutations.

The rest is merely classification. :awedance:

Love to all and :peace:PS

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #14230141 - 04/03/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think we get caught up in the "a cube is a cube" debate so much so that we forget, a cube is in fact, just a cube, when it comes to the growth parameters of Psilocybe Cubenis.


However, IMO, there are genetic differences in different races of cubensis due to what part of the world said cube originates from that'll be expressed in phenotype if the source and variety of the cubensis is correct from the dealer.  Also, as we all well know, environment and climate play a role in phenotype expressions with the many differing sub strains and races of cubensis.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #14230422 - 04/03/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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However, IMO, there are genetic differences in different races of cubensis due to what part of the world said cube originates from that'll be expressed in phenotype if the source and variety of the cubensis is correct from the dealer.  Also, as we all well know, environment and climate play a role in phenotype expressions with the many differing sub strains and races of cubensis.




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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ProfessorPinHead] * 1
    #14230531 - 04/03/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:sheeplove:  There's no emoticon for beating a dead horse.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon] * 1
    #14230984 - 04/03/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:sheeplove:  There's no emoticon for beating a dead horse.




Sure there is.  :beatadeadhorse:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: afrosheen] * 1
    #14231035 - 04/03/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:Tastesgoodman::tongue:  it's all in the howevers, however.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: afrosheen] * 1
    #14231151 - 04/03/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Sure there is.  :beatadeadhorse:




Ah...how could I miss that...thx :smile:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ProfessorPinHead] * 1
    #14231343 - 04/03/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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However, IMO, there are genetic differences in different races of cubensis due to what part of the world said cube originates from that'll be expressed in phenotype if the source and variety of the cubensis is correct from the dealer.  Also, as we all well know, environment and climate play a role in phenotype expressions with the many differing sub strains and races of cubensis.




Well put!



That's funny because I was self conscience about that making sense.  Thanks man.  :highfive:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #14231520 - 04/03/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wish there were 50 of y'all.  It made perfect sense to me too...:rockon:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #14235493 - 04/04/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

this thread is fun to read (been catching up on this one)...

:wizard::winning1:

just a quick point of ref... mushrooms don't have male/female stuff going on like plants and animals... right?

so, they would be like eunuchs... but with a :penis: and the ability to clone... if anything... lol
and the only way they could propagate is if a bunch of eunuchs formed together and fruited
:penis::penis::penis::penis:
either that, or the myc. is a gang of hard-core lesbians scissoring their way through life.... until, they realize they need to build :penis:'s if they want to have offspring... or something like that :rotfl:

I'm just making stuff up here :stoned:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LurkingWizards] * 1
    #14235573 - 04/04/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cubensis spores have 4 genders.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LurkingWizards] * 1
    #14236002 - 04/04/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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just a quick point of ref... mushrooms don't have male/female stuff going on like plants and animals... right?




No, they have sex chromosomes (alleles), but they're called + and - and I think each one comes in various numbers depending on the species. 

I don't know that it's fun for them like it is for us. :lol:  It takes a + and a - spore (gamete) to make a diploid mycelial strand that can grow, fruit, and reproduce making new + and - spores.  But I don't think you can tell them apart easily.:shake:

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or the myc. is a gang of hard-core lesbians scissoring their way through life.... until, they realize they need to build :penis:'s if they want to have offspring...




:ilold: You should check out slimemolds, you've just described pretty much what THEY do.

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Re: Strain Questions HERE ONLY! (moved) [Re: Rose] * 1
    #14525620 - 05/28/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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