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andymc
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jboogz]
#14047380 - 03/01/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sometimes PE 'loses' the mutation and reverts to normal fruits, which produce spores. You probably don't want to trade those as PE prints, though.
Proper PE do produce some spores, there's just difficult to get at, since they don't really print. People often use sterile swabs to collect them. I read that Sporeworks use crushed caps and a centrifuge.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
#14047456 - 03/01/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm. Yes, it does appear to resemble a "normal fruit" though it began phenotypically similar to all my other sporeless PE fruits.
It is said that "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" this last fruit from the last flush will definitely be the first noc of my 2nd round of PE.
No they were not PE6, it was a vendor, regular PE syringe that began this batch in cake spawned to coir superspawned to coir.
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andymc
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jboogz]
#14047477 - 03/01/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I reckon that the more you use spores from the 'normal' fruits, the fewer PE-style fruits you'll see. The PE mutation seems to be regressive.
A trusted member sent me a 'PE' print from a normal fruit, and I never got anything but normal fruits from it.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
#14047586 - 03/01/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PE stabilizes if you select the correct traits and clone, grow that clone out, Take a spore swab go to agar, grow that out, clone from that, grow that out, take a spore swab, .... repeat a couple more times.
If you do this you are drawing from the same gene pool over and over, kinda like inbreeding a little bit?
Anyway, my PE looks normal after doing this for about 2 years with it. Its pretty weird. When I got the original genetics they were stock from sporeworks and totally fucked up, full of mutants. 
Now I hardly get any mutants at all with it..... Could be my imagination though,. It is likely that I just really know how to work with the strain now considering I don't bother growing any other cube strains with the acceptation of PF classic which is another weird case all in itself,.....
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andymc
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ProfessorPinHead said: PF classic which is another weird case all in itself,.....
I like PF Classic. Biggest fruits I've had. Massive prints.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
#14047629 - 03/01/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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awwww....well now, isnt that just plain logical. I thought these were "magic" mushooms not bound by the limits of science....but here we go with dominance and recessivity.
Oh well. Haha
PPH: Im still looking for the strain i like best, superficially of course. Ive been getting 6.5-7cm caps from my lizard king poo/coir/straw tub consistently, but in total i have only cultivated freestone tex, lk and PE...I like the Freestone caps.
I have yet to try my malabar, b+ or mazatapec, so im not sure if i will like them. I also just secured a trade for an exotic print and i am going to try truffles. So I remain in the beginning stages of experimentation
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: jboogz]
#14047655 - 03/01/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Malabar has a warm place in my heart
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afrosheen
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Maz is pretty neat. It pins over every single inch of the substrate for me, just looks impossibly dense, then hundreds of skinny fruits fill the air. On BRF cakes it was just amazing to see. Potency was nothing special but it sure loved to fruit.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: afrosheen]
#14049606 - 03/01/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bet you were growing from a multi-spore culture. You have to iso those rhizo's then grow out their fruits then test their potency in order to find the potent sub-strains of any strain of cubensis.
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ProfessorPinHead said: What? WBS is almost all white millet bro. You should search it. Its the little white seeds. I don't think you are thinking of the correct thing.
Millet is the best seed to grow off form my experience.
 You actually want the hulls. If you use unhulled it will turn to glue
Nah, man. People don't have enough faith in Facey these days. I definitely know what I'm thinking of, and it's whole millet.
The WBS I used back when I did was about 50/50 milo millet. I'm serious, the shits wouldn't colonize:



See what I'm sayin', man? I don't get it. I'm special in weird and frustrating ways. 
After several months, THEY STARTED IN VITRO FRUITING WITHOUT COLONIZING THE MILLET!
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14052891 - 03/02/11 05:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thts just kuz they are a little dry. I used to get jars like that sometimes. They wouldn't ever give me any issues though.
Soooooo many inoculation points !
But WBS is different. The stuff I used to get was 90% millet.
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faceyneck
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ProfessorPinHead said: Thts just kuz they are a little dry. I used to get jars like that sometimes. They wouldn't ever give me any issues though.
Soooooo many inoculation points !
But WBS is different. The stuff I used to get was 90% millet.
Hmmm... well, I may give it another shot, then.
I can get a big-ass bag of it for about the same price as the milo. 
I straight gave away the bag of it I had to my wife's father, for birds. I had tried going 50/50 milo/millet. Actually, that's what that picture is, is the half-and-half blend I put together.
Then again, Milo's cheap, and does a great job.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: faceyneck]
#14052978 - 03/02/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Milo, Millet, both are just fine
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Javadog
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I have to add that Facey's photos were certainly an interesting argument.
The mycelium certainly appeared to be skipping the millet, preferring the milo.
Odd.
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hamloaf
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Javadog]
#14053375 - 03/02/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Milo is a way more meatier grain then hollowed millet. Still millet's a nutrient source for mushroom mycelium, as well as, another inoculation point, once fully colonized, for your bulk substrate.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hamloaf]
#14053487 - 03/02/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could anybody tell me what strain/ species this is. The website i bought them off listed them as both p. azurescens and as 'Golden Teachers' a strain of cubeies. Just looking for some advice guys
Also some of the mushrooms appear to be splitting slightly. You can see it kind off in the pics. Any idea why this is happenening? First time grower here

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: spazmodog]
#14053516 - 03/02/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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those are p.cubensis, deff not Azures. 
caps split when you have alot of fresh air moving over the substrate and you have rapid growth, which isnt bad.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#14053520 - 03/02/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cheers bro.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: spazmodog]
#14057206 - 03/02/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just to ad to the convo about the WBS. When i used it i always used hulled oats white millet and canary grass seed. Worked great col. really fast. Came in a bag at walmart really cheap lol
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...not sure if this is the proper place to post this, but I wanted a current opinion on the topic:
I've heard from more than one person now that they generally consider PE to be a less pleasant trip than other shrooms.
I have yet to talk to anyone regarding an isolate and all that stuff, to be sure, so it's by no means valid 'evidence.'
What got me thinking about this more though, is because my isolate, GTRR, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has eaten it and reported back, said it's the most fun on a shroom they've ever had. The trip reports are now approaching close to two dozen people that I've heard back from. One person went as far as to say they didn't wanna eat any other shrooms BUT GTRR, and suggested that if possible, everyone should only eat my strain. 
but I was also like and 
I was thinking of retiring GTRR for good not too long ago, but now considering all the INCREDIBLY positive feedback I've gotten, I think I'll keep it around.
...but generally people think they want PE or at least some other bizarre-looking fruit. 
Thoughts?
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