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IhrHase
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13894215 - 02/02/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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anonjon said: If we dismissed all the anecdotal evidence, we'd be left with nothing.
We should go with it and stop worrying about theoretical everything is.
You should amend that to we would be left with nothing until the proper scientific work is done.
My uncle claimed one Christmas to catch a 20 lb bass, two years later it was 40 lb... Anecdotal evidence is not conclusive.
This is not to say that I will not indulge your claim that I will change my tune after I try it myself... I will try it myself, and I will have another non-scientific opinion to add to the discussion, but it is in no way furthering the revelation of the truth...
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: IhrHase]
#13894225 - 02/02/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IhrHase said: but it is in no way furthering the revelation of the truth...
Yawn.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13895838 - 02/02/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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just putting this out there as an observation I've had, looking for any similar results... I also, may have already missed someone posting this very comment, so, in that case, this is just another member adding to validity of that statement 
In regards to the color of the cap (red, orange, brownish, cream, gold, etc.) I have noticed that while working with the same 'strain'(Burma), the fruiting temp. seems to be an easily controlled variable. And when I compare grows, I have observed the darker golds, browns, and deep red colors during the "lower-than-average" fruiting temps. The lighter creams, yellows and marshmallow colors occur while fruiting in higher temps for me.
Of course the pins are always darker than the maturing fruit bodies, but I'm referring to the time period between (say, 12 hrs before the veil tears up-through when the cap is perfect for printing).
Just something I have experienced...
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Do you folks (@anonjon and others) think that florescent lights are better, about the same or not as good as outdoor/window sunlight (not direct of course) for cultivate? I mean does the indoor light cycles produce the best flushes or does daytime light cycles just rule all?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ShadowYogi]
#13896694 - 02/02/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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LurkingWizards said: just putting this out there as an observation I've had, looking for any similar results... I also, may have already missed someone posting this very comment, so, in that case, this is just another member adding to validity of that statement 
In regards to the color of the cap (red, orange, brownish, cream, gold, etc.) I have noticed that while working with the same 'strain'(Burma), the fruiting temp. seems to be an easily controlled variable. And when I compare grows, I have observed the darker golds, browns, and deep red colors during the "lower-than-average" fruiting temps. The lighter creams, yellows and marshmallow colors occur while fruiting in higher temps for me.
Of course the pins are always darker than the maturing fruit bodies, but I'm referring to the time period between (say, 12 hrs before the veil tears up-through when the cap is perfect for printing).
Just something I have experienced...
thats the point I was trying to convey, environmental conditions play a huge role on looks of the cubes, if you grow in the same conditions then your strains should look the same each time but grow those same strains in different conditions and you get different results. 
even with clones, you grow 2 clones from the same fruit in separate conditions and they will "look" different. change the lights and they will look different. etc...
thats why when different people grow in the same parameters the same cube strain they will looks similar and you would be able to tell them apart from one another but not everybody has identical environments to grow and thus looks vary and a cube becomes a cube.
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ShadowYogi said: Do you folks (@anonjon and others) think that florescent lights are better, about the same or not as good as outdoor/window sunlight (not direct of course) for cultivate? I mean does the indoor light cycles produce the best flushes or does daytime light cycles just rule all?
day/sun light rules all cuz we cannot replicate the suns radiant energy and all its spectrum's. 
so we do our best efficiently and use 6500K lighting, doesnt matter if its cfl or reg fluorescent, its as close to the natural spectrum of the sun is what you want for indoor. then establish a circadian rhythm so you dont have to mess with lighting, go 12/12 on/off and never mess with it again.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#13896998 - 02/02/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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But I just use the good old fashioned
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
#13899178 - 02/03/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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And this would be? Love the internet and all the pointless I know this guy and he is uber qualified...
Suit yourself, I'm relating the gospel truth here.
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You do not have to fool that much of a sample to fool all the people, when we are considering a person and his friends, this is not a national event, I am sure most people are not hanging with Anonjon.
WTF? Unless you are hanging with Anonjon you were talking about your bro's. You really don't get it. Bioassaying is not necessarily anecdotal.
Peace -PS
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: PrimalSoup]
#13900589 - 02/03/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for that! I have the option of putting grow stuff and monotubs by the window in my room (which may not get the best all day sun but it's still natural. Also, i will end up doing second and third flushes outdoors in my green house.
With a monotub, can you get continuous flushing our would it be better to transfer to a green house? I'm still looking for info on the right conditions for the most Mushies!
I could just let the monotubs live outside. I am currently working with Mazatepec and Thai Lipa Yai cubes (and a clone from one of the larger Yai's). Additionally I got lucky and grew a bunch of Panaeolus Bispora aka Copelandia Bispora (so i have some fruits and some prints and an LC) which i hear is very similar to P. Tropicalis
BTW the market/trade zone opens up for me in like 7 posts, so hit me up for trading...i very interested in new strains and I have lots of Maza, Lipa, and P. Bispora prints (well limited bispora but more on the way)
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ShadowYogi]
#13900661 - 02/03/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ShadowYogi said: Do you folks (@anonjon and others) think that florescent lights are better, about the same or not as good as outdoor/window sunlight (not direct of course) for cultivate? I mean does the indoor light cycles produce the best flushes or does daytime light cycles just rule all?
I think daylight spectrum fluorescents are just as good as sunlight and more controllable.
I switched to cool white tho because the only difference I can tell so far is that daylight spectrum makes the caps more colorful. The flushes under cool white are good and so is the cap size. They're cheaper and more widely available. Also I feel the daylight spectrum dries out the msg a little faster than the cool white.
I know RR has recorded an X percentage increase in yield with the daylight spectrum, but that's with shitake. There's no data yet to suggest daylight spectrum yield is better than cool white with regard to cubensis. Would be a fun project if someone feels up to it. I'm not at all denying the possibility of a very small difference. After using both I just prefer the cool white.
And if someone posts that the daylight overs improved potency over the cool white....I'm gonna say prove it. My friends are some real aficionados and I'm getting good feedback on the cool white flushes.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13900669 - 02/03/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good to know
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: PrimalSoup]
#13903014 - 02/04/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: WTF? Unless you are hanging with Anonjon you were talking about your bro's. You really don't get it. Bioassaying is not necessarily anecdotal.
Since I was using Anonjon's PE statements as an example, I was talking about the people Anonjon shared his PE with.
It is anecdotal when the bioassay is done in such a manner to encourage an expectation, or did you miss that part of my statement?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: IhrHase]
#13904688 - 02/04/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is anecdotal when the bioassay is done in such a manner to encourage an expectation, or did you miss that part of my statement?
Nobody was talking about skewing bioassays by inducing expectations. Yes it happens, no that wasn't the point at all. Yes placebo effects are real, no they aren't going to account for serious differences that reoccur time after time. Get real with it.
Oh OK, for instance (and don't stop me when I'm trying to be nice): I've grown my own starting in the mid-eighties, and I've grown all kinds including wood lovers.
Recently I've completed two cube grows (meh, this IS the Strain/Race/Variety Thread so I won't talk about how Ps. Cyan beats the snot out of cubes)- one of PESA and more recently one of Wild Texan. After three consecutive trips with the WT it is abundantly obvious to me that the newer grow (WT) is over 1/3 more potent, by fresh weight, than the previous grow (PESA). Why? Because I dose with full tolerance in tow multiple times a week, and 150g tea from the WT is simply more potent than 200g from the PESA. I know the signs and I know how to read them.
I journal all trips and I've done this many hundreds of times. That's what I'm talking about, not passing out a few grams to your bros and asking them a couple weeks later if they tripped balls or what. 
So don't go on about "anecdotal" with me, I'm totally dedicated to getting the most out of my trips, and I can recognize BS from a long ways away. Of course it's your choice to just blow it off as something else you read on the internet, just like I can choose to think you're a flake, for the same reason. Here's to flakes.
Peace -PS
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Javadog]
#13905073 - 02/04/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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chicken wire?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: PrimalSoup]
#13906316 - 02/04/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That journal of yours would be an interesting read.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: IhrHase]
#13906645 - 02/04/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IhrHase said:
It is anecdotal when the bioassay is done in such a manner to encourage an expectation, or did you miss that part of my statement?
No. Why would you think this? That is not the definition of anecdotal.
If you gave me 3 grams of shrooms to try out and told me they were super potent...I could accurately confirm or deny your statement.
You're making bad assumptions.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13908137 - 02/04/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You both are.
But hey, what are forums for?
Sometimes it seems like they only exist to prove yourself right.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13908947 - 02/05/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anonjon, I am sure the people you are sharing with are all cultivators...
Apparently you only want to read the part of the conversation you can argue with and ignore the part you cannot...
It is fine...
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: IhrHase]
#13908953 - 02/05/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: IhrHase]
#13909136 - 02/05/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IhrHase said: Anonjon, I am sure the people you are sharing with are all cultivators...
Apparently you only want to read the part of the conversation you can argue with and ignore the part you cannot...
It is fine...
I can't argue with you because I don't even see what you're on about.
Are we still arguing over whether PE is more potent than non? Seriously?
I was correcting your incorrect use of the word anecdotal. I would post the definition here but I'm sure you're capable.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
#13909340 - 02/05/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was not arguing... The fact is I was merely stating the results are influenced...
That is, there is no numerical data to support the claim.
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