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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #11925551 - 01/29/10 05:12 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

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If you all have any more suggestions for terminology, to better explain the differences between commercial and non-commercial multisporous cubes, I would love to hear them.




Well, just take a page from domestic animals and plants and call them "breeds".  Everybody knows (I hope) that you can cross any two dog breeds and get mixed offspring. 

Mushrooms haven't been bred for nearly as long, but they show some of the same characteristics regarding phenotype, vigor, and other valued qualities.

And the point of breeding is still the same - domestic animals have been bred for hundreds if not thousands of generations by people who were going after particular characteristics, and got them.  Breed a purebred to another purebred of the same type and you get a purebred offspring.  Maybe with recessives showing up, but it's pretty easy to understand.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #11937544 - 01/31/10 07:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I realized that later on.  But plant breeders and breeding is well established (see wiki on plant breeding), though the results are usually called varieties (which would be my second choice) and often are hybrids, the test being sterility SFAIK.

Anyway, I've seen breeding going on with ps. cubensis - taking two varieties with recognizable characteristics and crossing them is breeding, IMHO.  Selecting from mutation is similar and part of normal breeding activity, no question.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #11952328 - 02/03/10 01:57 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree with you... I just don't think it is the SIMPLEST way to explain this all to a bunch of stoner hippies.




Yeah.  "Breeding" connotates a little more exchange of fluids.  "Crossing" is already in common use for breeding, as well. 

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Razman]
    #12459358 - 04/26/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Razman said:
My friend needs a space efficient strain that grows short and thick.  He has a 15" high container, which is divided into two levels, each one with a 3" naked substrate.  This only leaves him 6 inches of height on each level. 

Sounds like PE would be his best bet, but pictures can be deceiving.  Is PE really short, or is that just the illusion it gives with those thick shafts?  His other consideration right now is Mazatapec.




The KSSS I grew were very short - this was the tallest one of all, and it was only a few inches, but solid and massive...  Could fit 6" headroom easy:



Typical mature fruits on bulk substrate:



This was just one isolate, YMMV, but from what I've seen it's typical.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Razman]
    #12465565 - 04/27/10 01:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Razman said:
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PrimalSoup said:
The KSSS I grew were very short - this was the tallest one of all, and it was only a few inches, but solid and massive...  Could fit 6" headroom easy:






How deep was your substrate and casing?
After some intense search engine sessions today i´ve realized there are too many good things being said about PE to ignore it.  They seem to grow as short as KSSS, but ALWAYS look thick.  I can´t ignore the potency claims either, even though I´ve always been a firm believer of the ¨Cubes are cubes¨.  So tempting..




So happens I'm starting PE right now.:scaryshroom::thumbup:  And soon I will know - hoping they're as potent as some claim. :awecid:

The KSSS were extremely potent, bluing almost instantly when cut. Very trippy.

My substrate was 3.5-4", there was no casing on those though. 

I've seen pics of PE fruits that were huge, as large as anything else around...  It's likely going to depend on the isolate and substrate.  I believe KSSS are phenotypically of short stature.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #12474286 - 04/28/10 10:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I'm doing further isolates on KSSS to see what the ranges are.  I already like the potency!

What I'm saying is, if you isolate a short sub-strain you'll get short fruits, that was what the question was about in the first place - short fruits.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Spongiform]
    #12478267 - 04/29/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Let's not forget that all of these "strains" are domesticated and have gone through many generations to bring out whatever characteristics they have.  Though domestic dogs are descended from wolves it's highly unlikely that breeding domestic dogs will yield a wolf sport...

Strains that have distinct phenotypes will tend to express those phenotypes, and that includes potency.  But yes, there's individual range within the "strains" as well, that can be brought out by isolation of sub-strains.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #12480538 - 04/29/10 09:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Not all commercial cubes are domesticated...




It was a generality.  Who knows what's out there being sold, and as what? :shake: Good point.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #12483271 - 04/30/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Would any be interested in this?  I don't do agar work yet, but once I do, this is what I intend to do.




The Good Shroomkeeping Seal of Approval?

I'm for this - I isolate for strain qualities and I would only want to send out prints that had phenotypical qualities. 

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #12483585 - 04/30/10 01:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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That's a good one, but could lead to confusion because of KSSS, which to my knowledge is not actually a super strain.




I don't know what "super strain" is supposed to mean exactly, unless it means "super potent" cause it sure was that!

Anyway, there already is confusion, something new might be useful. 

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Yea something like that, lol.  Maybe a little less corny.




I left something out:
:alientransform:The Good Shroomkeeping Seal of Approval?:alientransform::thumbup:

:lol:

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Re: beginner strain? [Re: badman]
    #12570461 - 05/15/10 11:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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KSSS is like PE not very nice to look at.




Hmmm?  Cute guys and blued instantly, very potent but typically (?) small...



That was from one isolate and I'm working on some more...

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12677779 - 06/03/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ps. cyanescens will spawn to grain but typically will not fruit on it... :mushroomgrow:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Salguod]
    #12714570 - 06/09/10 11:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I understand his reasoning, but I'm a little bit unnerved that he only accepts cash and money orders. I suppose its only 15 dollars anyways..




Why?  Great rep, keeps no records, everybody's safer, what's the downside? :shrug:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: stonesun]
    #12848033 - 07/04/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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stonesun said:
Good luck guys with KSSS.
My MS inoculation was a total failure.
Small fatass pins, haven't matured in +10 days, maybe even two weeks.
Finally Trich started to take over on some of the small fruits,
so just threw it away.
Now I'm in the process to try to isolate a good fruiter.
Here's a couple of pic of the mini:


This is like a week later!


And another week later






My experience with an isolate (from THE spores) was a bit different. :shrug: But I've found obtaining a rhyzomorphic culture on agar tough, and haven't gotten another one yet...  So MS would likely be a dud overall.

The isolate was prolific and potent, blued instantly on cutting the fruits, most impressive.  Grew well on both straight grain:



and bulk (coir/verm/etc):



I think it's worthwhile to isolate a KSSS substrain with a bit more fruiting power from these genetics, the tripping power was immense. :awecid:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread. [Re: stonesun]
    #12909720 - 07/16/10 10:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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stonesun said:
Mine too for a few days now.
Cute lil' buggers, aren't they?

 




Damn, I may have to go there!

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Re: is it worth it in the long-run [Re: Javadog]
    #12933537 - 07/22/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Q: When does one want zero GE, if ever?




I can't think of anytime, except storage.

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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Javadog]
    #12955274 - 07/26/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Calling then Cyanescens might be vague, as there is also
a Psilocybe Cyanescens. (this is one strain that I would LOVE to find!)




Yes, and it's awesome.  I have an interesting domesticated Ps. cyanescens strain that I'm working to bring back to full fruiting potential, and I'll be offering it here when I get it (making progess). 

The potency was much higher than cubensis, more enthenogenic as well, and it was a prolific fruiter:


Stay tuned....

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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Javadog]
    #12955925 - 07/26/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

That was one high cat, let me tell you...  The picture is from 8/8/88 BTW (long time grower here). :grin:

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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: Javadog]
    #12956961 - 07/26/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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LMFAO.  ...ah yes, the folly of youth....remember it well, I do.




Oh really?  :laugh2:  It was a few days before my 33rd birthday, space traveler...:scaryshroom::thumbup:

:awesome2: Carry on, as the turkey vulture said to its chick...

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Re: My take on cubensis strains, especially yield [Re: badman]
    #12956983 - 07/26/10 05:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Domesticated for indoor cultivation?




Ah yes, that's the beauty.  It was a mutant strain that I propagated and preserved.  They fruited on rye or wheat berries under the same growing conditions as cubes - albeit a slower developer - but room temp year round.

I have the restored strain pinning on agar now, and I've had a lesser version that went to fruits on bulk (coir/verm/etc) under the same conditions as cubes.  Small fruits though that stalled - but with decent potency - so I'm still working on it. :grin:

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