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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
    #12402351 - 04/16/10 06:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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PE's rumored potency is also not proven... it just seems that more people find it potent.




Not proven but likely IMO: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11851622#11851622



I think the reason behind the potency differentiation is due to the hearty fleshiness of the PE fruit bodies.
It's not so much that there is more psilocybin in the PE strain than others. It's the denseness of the fruit. If the psilocybin levels between strains doesn't differentiate between strains then the PE strain just has more flesh then other strains to carry more psilocybin at the same potency as other strains. Just a more concentrated dose.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
    #12402416 - 04/16/10 07:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I think the reason behind the potency differentiation is due to the hearty fleshiness of the PE fruit bodies.




I generally consume them by weight, so fruitbody stature isn't really a factor for me.



Does not fruit body stature determine the amount of psilocybin more rather than the actual level of potency? More fruit body= more psilosybin in an area then actually the psilocybin is more potent between strains?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Nanoid]
    #12412001 - 04/18/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I mean $28 for a single syringe is quite much.  I am used to getting 3 syringes from Raplshters for $30 (2 pay and one free SOTM).



If you think that price is high, check these prices. Change is good.

http://www.hoosiermushrooms.com/retail-store.html

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Yeah, but incubators and everything else involved with getting it right is just too much to bother with.  I have gone as far as I am willing to go with mushroom cultivation at this point.  No casing, no agar, no making syringes with prints, no other complicated methods etc etc.

I am just going to stick with the cakes and get as good at that as I possibly can.  Maybe years down the road if I am still into this hobby I may give other things a try.



No need to incubate. Stick with cakes. Get good at cakes. It will not take you years to get good at cakes.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
    #12419111 - 04/19/10 07:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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So that's basically the best price around?  Dang, that is just too much for only one syringe. 



Agar/LC, never buy spores again.



How about spores to agar. Agar to grains. Then grain to grain transfers. It doesn't get any simpler then than that. In the mean while, set a petri aside and you can work on isolating a mono-culture while you wait for your grains to colonize.
LC's can be a pain.
Both methods pretty much take the same amount of time. It just depends on what you want to do with the results of either.
Do you want to draw up 20 syringes or transfer 20 chunks of mycelium on grains out of jars to 20 other jars of freshly sterilized grains.
Sterile blank syringes are not always easy to come across.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #12420198 - 04/19/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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How about spores to agar. Agar to grains. Then grain to grain transfers. It doesn't get any simpler then than that. LC's can be a pain.





I second this.




I guess so.  Hamloaf was posting loads of total n00b agar questions just like a month ago, and he appears to have mastered it already.  1 month, 8 days ago to be exact:

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Alright cool.I checked your link. Now I am confused. My agar is powder. "Agar Powder 100% pure" is what the label reads. Do I need to choose one of those recipes to add my agar to? What is PDA? What is MAE?






Your mean. I learn fast. Simple concepts my friend. This ain't rocket science and I am fucking bright as hell. Done and done.:awesomenod:

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Sorry hamloaf, I think you've got it wrong here.  People dose by weight (mass) and compare it that way.  Denser fruits weigh more, obviating your suggestion.



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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #12420400 - 04/19/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Hamloaf was posting loads of total n00b agar questions just like a month ago, and he appears to have mastered it already.  1 month, 8 days ago to be exact:



Did you know that you can make agar out of oatmeal! Oatmeal and agar. Oatmeal Agar (OA)
Did you also know that (OA) is the best medium for Panaeolus cyanescens according to fastfred.
I will be putting this one to the test over the next week or two. My edible grow kicks off tomorrow. My Pans prints should be arriving today and I just got a belt for my flowhood and a camera. Pics coming soon... Give me some time. I come from a lineage of cultivators, not electronics and computer specialists. I am a slow learner when it comes to computers and I am up to my neck in projects.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: andymc]
    #12425227 - 04/20/10 08:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The way I understand, as of now is that there is not any differences between strains and potency with cubes.
Because the psilocybin is contained in the flesh hense the more cube flesh there is, the more psilocybin there will be. Not the fact that the psilocybin is more potency eq2 between different cubes {names), but that more flesh= more psilocybin in a body. Not more potency. :shrug:
That is why I understand PE "seems" to be more potent than other strains.
I like the way this consensus changes through out the years. When RR brought back the CRS with rattle snake venom, CRS was the strain to have. Through out the years this consensus changes. Remember when it was the Thai strains were popular like KSS, Then Texas strain. All these cubes IMO have one thing in common..
THICK FRUIT BODIES. PE, as of now being the thickest. I wonder what strain will be the next craze. What strain has been sitting in the wild waiting to be discovered or some 30 year prints waiting to be (re)discovered.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #12428908 - 04/20/10 09:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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The way I understand, as of now is that there is not any differences between strains and potency with cubes.
Because the psilocybin is contained in the flesh hense the more cube flesh there is, the more psilocybin there will be. Not the fact that the psilocybin is more potency eq2 between different cubes {names), but that more flesh= more psilocybin in a body. Not more potency. :shrug:




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But the discussion is about potency in relation to the weight of the consumed fruit bodies:shrug:.




Ok. :confused:
Is not that what we are speaking of? :shrug:

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However, me, as well as many, many other people have had fruits that were hollow and were amazingly potent.
In fact the most potent Cube I've ever came across was hollow.




What people?
What strain?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Rose]
    #12430106 - 04/21/10 02:38 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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This isn't hard to understand, once you get over all the available commercial strains. Cubes are cubes.



I understand this.
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EACH batch is different weather you use the same strain or not.



That's whether, not weather.
I am guessing this is due to when multiple families of the same strain's mycelium begin exchanging information and fruits a batch. Then, unless my vision is limited, I can see how some grows would be more potent than others within the same strain.
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Some grows are simply more potent than others.



Use isolates.
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There is no conclusive evidence that ANY strain is more potent than average... but a large amount of people (including me) swear by the potency of PE.



This sounds like conclusive evidence to me. :shrug:
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And a gram from a dense cube weighs the same as a gram from a hollow cube.



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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #12430913 - 04/21/10 09:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

kSS!, BHT! Thai varieties are strong..


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12778565 - 06/21/10 12:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Does or has anybody heard of or have any information/informative links of the strain Scissor G and its origins?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: anti-flag]
    #12814140 - 06/27/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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WOW. That's a good study indeed. I would be happy with just 5 g's.

I just love the history and look so I'm not picky.

Hope I can find some more that is not on a swab :shrug:



Sporeworks has APE available in spore syringe.
Click on the link below.
http://sporeworks.com/store/product.php?productid=16364&cat=0&page=1
Mention you are a member of the shroomery community and they will slide you a freebie.

Here is spongiforms APE grow.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: Javadog]
    #12816926 - 06/28/10 09:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just ordered from Ralphsters.
One print KSSS.

Mentioned that I was a member of the shroomery community.
When I went to open the foil to drop print into sterile water and aspire spore syringe solution.
When I opened the foil.
There were 3 fat, dark prints in the foil.

Just mention you are a member of the shroomery community when you check out at Ralphsters.
Where they ask if there are any notes you would like to send with your order.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: Javadog]
    #12816963 - 06/28/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks.
Good luck to you, Java.

About your third LC recipe.
Not familiar with the abbreviation "LDM".


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: Javadog]
    #12817020 - 06/28/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I see.
Do you have a link where you found your light dry malt liquid media recipe?

I use light malt extract, dextrose, and nutritional yeast.
1.5 table spoons of LME/DEX per quart of water.
0.4 of a gram of nutritional yeast per quart of water.

Light malt extract and Dextrose both are found at the local brew shop.
Nutritional yeast can be found at Health Food and Organic grocery stores.

Liquid media used in this culture=LME/DEX.
1.5 tablespoons per quart of water.

Nice, thick Liquid culture. :thumbup:


Nice, thick liquid culture syringes.:super:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: stonesun]
    #12838341 - 07/02/10 02:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Good luck guys with KSSS.
My MS inoculation was a total failure.
Small fatass pins, haven't matured in +10 days, maybe even two weeks.
Finally Trich started to take over on some of the small fruits,
so just threw it away.
Now I'm in the process to try to isolate a good fruiter.





You know what you are doing.
Chalk your failure up to multi spore genetics.

What is your fan and mist regimen?

When trick begins to infect.
Instead of throwing your infected substrates away.

Place your substrates on a cleared piece of ground.
Under a tree or in a shady area.

Place leaves or grass clippings over your infected substrates.
To create the proper micro climate of humidity.
Water once or once every 2 days in the morning.

Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution!

Take it a step further and dig you a 6 inch bed out of the ground.
Place your substrate(s) in the bed you dug.
Cover your substrate(s) in manure, compost, or coir.
Then place a sheet of clear plastic with slashes in it for gas exchange.
Over your substrate to colonize.

Once colonized.
Remove plastic cover with a casing.

Water in the morning to keep your substrate hydrated.

Good luck with the isolation hunt and gather.
KSSS is a go to strain in my research.

No pics documented of past research with this strain.

I find it to be a quick colonizer and heavy fruiter.
Higher on the potency level of the various different cubes consumed.

Currently research is being conducted.
With this strain on brown rice flour and rice bran cakes.

Inoculated 5 days ago.
KSSS, brown rice flour, medium coarse vermiculite cake.



KSSS on rice bran, medium coarse vermiculite cake.



Genetics are from Ralphsters.

Spore prints to sterile water.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread/APE [Re: Rose]
    #12863892 - 07/07/10 08:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Use the marketplace to ask for spores.




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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #12871754 - 07/09/10 09:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

My APE multispore syringe from Sporeworks arrived yesterday. :paradisiscoolwhat: :cool2: 
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread. [Re: anti-flag]
    #12872110 - 07/09/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Because Sporeworks has got it like that, anti-flag.

I can make a killer LC. :lol:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread. [Re: HisXLNC]
    #12882167 - 07/11/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

A cube is a cube is a cube.

Pick a cube, any cube.

Any cube will do great in a madbag.

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