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LucidLife FRO us
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Mini Bulk Cakes...
#10559308 - 06/23/09 01:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I made these. They don't seem to be fruiting well. There is 3 or 4 pins on the first 2 I put in there. This is the 2nd time I have tried uncased Bulk Cakes. 1st time was great. 2 cakes got me about 350g wet. 95-100%RH
They Are: 1Qt Rye, Coir, WormCastings, Verm. Spawned for 7 days and dropped in FC.
There is a LOT of knotting. Very Few pins have been there for 2 days now.


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34120060
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just be patient seems to be normal for two days
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: 34120060]
#10559457 - 06/23/09 01:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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They have been inside FC for 7 days.
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tajmahal420
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I can see quite a few knots on the second pic. Should be seeing more pins soon.
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Boosting the FAE will probably ease your woes.
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Thats interesting I have not seen that before keep us posted.
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34120060
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oh i see now sry
but you still look normal thats how my cakes were they had a few pins which grew really big then a couple days later there were more pins just wait it out
also the might not be colonized in the middle which just makes you wait longer for pins itll happen dont worry bout it
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: 34120060]
#10560828 - 06/23/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think it just needs more time. its probably just holding out on you to increase the suspense. i recently fruited some cakes and they did nothing for a full week and a half and then they just popped. they were pinning in the jar too. but still they just sat there teasing me..... then they kicked my brain all around my bedroom for 5 hours ! ! (first time eating wet mushrooms. diddnt weigh the dose so i dont even know)
good luck. give them time. they look good to me.
Edited by chronosync (06/23/09 06:47 PM)
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ano
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I've done this a number of times and seem to have pretty inconsistent results compared to leaving the 'cakes' in the trays. It's helped greatly to roll the 'cakes' in verm just like you would a pf style cake and keep it wetted.
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Dudester67
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tripps4, those cakes don't look fully colonized. Before removing the cakes from their containers you should wait until full colonization plus a few extra days for consolidation. I make poo cakes that are nearly identical in shape & size, 7" x 5" x 3" and they are never ready to fruit at just 7 days into the spawn run. Usually they stay in their containers for about 2 weeks and then I'll see pinning within a week. But fruiting bulk bricks like that in a tub with perlite is a GREAT way to go.
Edited by Dudester67 (06/23/09 07:05 PM)
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: ano]
#10561128 - 06/23/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had bad luck rolling them. I am most likely going to just do monotub in that tub next time.
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tripps4 said: I've had bad luck rolling them. I am most likely going to just do monotub in that tub next time.

Monotubs ftw.
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: ano]
#10561465 - 06/23/09 08:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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wait a full week after consolidation still in colinising conditions and expose to lighting in that week, once put into fruiting conditions it should pin in a few days.
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please update in the future. wanna see the results. good luck.
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Taken this morning. very disappointing.
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expectations lead to disappointment. you should never expect to get a large and even pin set. unless you are working with an isolate that you know performs to your liking.
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here are some other, Older ones.
2 in the middle are @ 3rd Flush, Smallest flush yet.

This is the third flush from the one in the middle, on the left.

These 5 cakes and the other 4 were all made at the same time. The middle 2 were just fruited about 8 days sooner. Looks like I should have fruited them all at that time.. What do you think?
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I Think the room is too hot. I Keep the AC on. But it was 110f today.
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That is pretty hot, well we know that cubensis can fruit in higher temps now, ive heard that they will fruit upto 90F but never 110F.
Id also suggest improving FAE. I see no hole sin that tub so that means you must exchange the air complelty once per hour and thats a big spacew in the tub.
Id make that into a shotgun and you may see better results.
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Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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veda_sticks said: That is pretty hot, well we know that cubensis can fruit in higher temps now, ive heard that they will fruit upto 90F but never 110F.
110F outside.... not in my FC.
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Quote:
tripps4 said:
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veda_sticks said: That is pretty hot, well we know that cubensis can fruit in higher temps now, ive heard that they will fruit upto 90F but never 110F.
110F outside.... not in my FC.
lol thought you meant inside. i did think that would maybe make it very hard to humidify, the hotter it is the more moisture air can hold.
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Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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also the might not be colonized in the middle which just makes you wait longer for pins
How long were the bulk cakes colonizing before you birthed them into the FC? One of the biggest causes of decreased yields/results in PF cakes is birthing prior to FULL colonization of the interior of the cake. If I was attempting a larger bulk style cake I would allow an even longer time frame for colonization prior to birthing.. probably something in the range of ~15 days after the appearance of full colonization, or the appearance of in vitro pins.
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: thedefone]
#10588571 - 06/28/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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thedefone said:
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also the might not be colonized in the middle which just makes you wait longer for pins
How long were the bulk cakes colonizing before you birthed them into the FC? One of the biggest causes of decreased yields/results in PF cakes is birthing prior to FULL colonization of the interior of the cake. If I was attempting a larger bulk style cake I would allow an even longer time frame for colonization prior to birthing.. probably something in the range of ~15 days after the appearance of full colonization, or the appearance of in vitro pins.

Thats not the reason for waiting a full week. When the outside is colinised the middle is colinised. So what about when your spawning to bulk? do you wait a full week before spawning. You spawn when its colinised the outside. because the inside will be colinised.
The 1 week wait is to allow mycelium to digest the food it has colinsied in preperation for fruiting. And thats what can cause poor performance when birthing early because it has to continue digesting food while its drying out, and for some reason it may not properly digest all the food it needs to beacuse its all of a sudden getting signs to fruit.
I had a few cakes that only grew from 2 inoc points, well mycelium popped out the other side before mycelium reached around the jar. I also had jars that mycelium popped out the bottom before the outside reached round. There goes the theory to make sure the middle colinised. Trust me, its colinsied.
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Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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All I'm pointing out is that perhaps the OP hadn't allowed his cakes to fully colonize prior to birthing, irrespective of the specifics of cake colonization in general. As you mention, it is recommended to allow the myc to gather a full hold on the substrate prior to birthing.
OP never said how long he waited after the appearance of full colonization to birth. That is a relevant question.
Sorry.. it's been a while.. my semantics may be a smidge loose.
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Re: Mini Bulk Cakes... [Re: thedefone]
#10591634 - 06/29/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did not wait after 100% on any of them. This is the closest thing to PF that I have ever done. The ones I waited the longest on, are performing the worst. I was satisfied with 250g wet per cake. Is overlay a risk with something like this?
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I think I am going to Scratch, Dunk, and then Roll these Cakes. After I harvest, of course. What do you think?
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From the Larger FC.
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Do not scratch it just hurts the colony. just dunk and roll
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