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Casing Layer Questions *Update*
    #10552362 - 06/22/09 06:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)



1- Here you see my late cased minitub.
If you look carefully, you can see mycelium appeared at the blank spaces between casing layer.
Pinnings appeared in 5 days after full colonization. And after 2 days, I applied casing layer (50/50 with gypsum&lime-pasteurized).2 days left after applying casing layer and mycelium appeared in casing layer.
So i worried about something's wrong. Is everything OK? Will more mushrooms will come from under casing layer?

2- These are normally cased tubs. Are they ready to put into fruiting conditions?



Thanks for your help.

Edited by Carcass (06/30/09 11:32 AM)

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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Carcass]
    #10553265 - 06/22/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

First I'd get those early volunteers off your casing ASAP they're holding it back at the moment. I'd then recommend mist it down to near saturation and fruit it they'll come around. GL


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10553652 - 06/22/09 01:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Do what? How in the world are those 2-3 early pins "holding it back"..? I know your the resident casing/pinning strategist around these parts but I fail to see any logic in that assumption.. please explain? If the substrate needed further incubation or wished to dunk it before initiating pinning, then I would understand your advice.. but that sucker is ready to fruit! and those few pins will mature and form much larger fruit bodies. Waste not want not.. I also do not agree with people who state that you should pick ALL fruits even pins at the end of the flush.. erroneous nonsense lol

If I was you, I would increase FAE as well as humidity and allow it to recieve an hr or so of light a day. Many times I have had wonderful pinsets form after a few early risers popped up. If you follow Hyph's advice, make sure to clone those pins.. especially from the cluster


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10555364 - 06/22/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Do what? How in the world are those 2-3 early pins "holding it back"..? I know your the resident casing/pinning strategist around these parts but I fail to see any logic in that assumption.. please explain? If the substrate needed further incubation or wished to dunk it before initiating pinning, then I would understand your advice.. but that sucker is ready to fruit! and those few pins will mature and form much larger fruit bodies. Waste not want not.. I also do not agree with people who state that you should pick ALL fruits even pins at the end of the flush.. erroneous nonsense lol

If I was you, I would increase FAE as well as humidity and allow it to recieve an hr or so of light a day. Many times I have had wonderful pinsets form after a few early risers popped up. If you follow Hyph's advice, make sure to clone those pins.. especially from the cluster



Not sure if you understand this but those are not pins those are developing fruits they are the ones putting the current demand on the substrates nutes the rest will wait until those are harvested. Once those early volunteers are pulled the first true flush will flush soon after. Over the years I've seen many who cannot grasp this concept not sure if it's greed and I mean that in a respectful waste not want not manner or ignorance times a wasting bro! It doesn't make any sense to spend time waiting for three shooms when you can have dozens! I certainly didn't see any clusters going on there book smart ya don't waste your time with those it's time to step up the ladder and grow through experience. There are many old saying representing this concept I particularly like "sacrifice a few to save the many"
I totally agree that definitely is ready to fruit and I also totally agree anyone who picks their casings clean after each flush pins included has no right cultivating mushrooms and they must have missed that first rung on the ladder! LOL


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10555638 - 06/22/09 07:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

man there is all the good info here that you just dont get from the books. Now could one of you guys tell me which pins or how to clone the clusters. I WANT MORE CLUSTERS!:grin:


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: jerrylove]
    #10555791 - 06/22/09 07:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You want clusters, clone from a cluster. Easy-peasy.


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #10555803 - 06/22/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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You want clusters, clone from a cluster. Easy-peasy.




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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #10556343 - 06/22/09 09:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Damn, I wish I could find this pic I just saw earlier today.  Someone had cloned a mutant that was growing a fluffy white poof on its cap.  When the casing fruited, well over half the fruits had the same white poofy cap, lol.  Shoulda saved that pic.


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10560673 - 06/23/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

ok well should I clone from the base of the cluster or the stem of the largest fruit in the cluster?


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: jerrylove]
    #10560726 - 06/23/09 06:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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or the stem of the largest fruit in the cluster?



You got it!


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10560776 - 06/23/09 06:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

OK cant wait to get that big fruit stem yummy! thank you for you awnser. Quick does cloning clusters usually result in grater yields?


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: jerrylove]
    #10561337 - 06/23/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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OK cant wait to get that big fruit stem yummy! thank you for you awnser. Quick does cloning clusters usually result in grater yields?



It gives you a better chance at a more prolific pinset. Nothing absolute mind you and yes the more pins the higher the yield in most cases. Also beautiful tissue culture can be had from the caps this is where I prefer to take my samples just under the cuticle (pellicle)layer.


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10561375 - 06/23/09 08:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I took a clone from my last grow, got them started on my current grow. So far, I've seen a much more efficient yield per number of casings I have compared to my previous multispore. The pinsets were more even, the mushrooms were nice and juicy just like their mamma and pappa mushrooms! :grin: Also, it's much faster to knock up from an agar wedge than a spore syringe.
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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Mykologist]
    #10571897 - 06/25/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the clarification hyph.. didnt mean any disrespect.. I agree with your advice when the fruit bodies have passed the pinning stage.. I failed to magnify those pics so they appeared to be large pins which is why I believed they shouldnt be holding the sub back..

I have a sub ready to fruit right now.. Im going to experiment with som SACing (suplement at casing)! Many studies, esp from Penn state show great promise in this technique. Have you tried this Hyph??

Keep us updated on what you did and any pin set that follows carcass!


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10572232 - 06/25/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

these fruits sucks, i let them to be mature, because i need their spores immediately, but they didn't wanted to give it to me. The caps didn't opened fully. i just rip them out and now i'm waiting for my "true pinset"

among other things, next year i may be in penn state. haha.

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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10572327 - 06/25/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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thanks for the clarification hyph.. didnt mean any disrespect.. I agree with your advice when the fruit bodies have passed the pinning stage.. I failed to magnify those pics so they appeared to be large pins which is why I believed they shouldnt be holding the sub back..

I have a sub ready to fruit right now.. Im going to experiment with som SACing (suplement at casing)! Many studies, esp from Penn state show great promise in this technique. Have you tried this Hyph??

Keep us updated on what you did and any pin set that follows carcass!



No dis taken friend,
No I haven't never really felt I needed to I guess. SixTango aka Mycota, Agar was the first to really promote this years ago when he was alive it was especially promising in later flush yields. Damn I miss him! RIP my friend! :peace:


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Carcass]
    #10572374 - 06/25/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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these fruits sucks, i let them to be mature, because i need their spores immediately, but they didn't wanted to give it to me. The caps didn't opened fully. i just rip them out and now i'm waiting for my "true pinset"

among other things, next year i may be in penn state. haha.




Just make sure you don't let your casing dry out keep it moist. Those early fruits were a result of an early breakthrough of the myc it should have been "patched" immediately to keep it from pinning and allowing the rest of the my to growth through the casing layer evenly not until then will you have your pinset. Read my pinning strategy several times it will all become crystal clear if not PM me with any questions. Many have told me they learn something new every time they read it. It has helped thousands over the years and it is really only comprised of the basics with some insight. To understand myc we must think like myc. GL :wink:


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10594775 - 06/29/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, I'd agree that patching could have stopped the earlier fruits as the amount of time an area is fully colonized and left without food to colonize, the earlier it's going to start to fruit... But looking at the pics, it appears that the fruits started at the gap between the substrate and the sides of the FC... you can't exactly patch theses areas... The environmental conditions at those points, combined with multiple other variables probably produced fruits earlier there.

I'm not exactly on board with the idea that those fruits are holding back the entire substrate from fruiting.. I don't think it works like that, but then again, I don't know this for a fact and I'm sure hyphae doesn't either... but to each their own.  I usually always had a few early birds and didn't pick them and the rest of the flush came soon after without me picking the early ones.  But opposition is always good in finding actual factual outcomes.  Biologically it doesn't make much sense to put all your eggs in one or two baskets and the substrate can't count on animals of any sort to pick it's early birds; domestically or in the wild... while it's definitely true that, usually, a substrate with fewer fruits will produce large fruit bodies, the substrate of the apparent size in the photos seems too large to only produce two or three extremely huge fruits; especially if the rest of the fruiting surface is in the right state for pinning and fruiting... this will increase the chances of survival... at least as the substrate is concerned.  At least that's how I see it... But like I said, I can't prove it either way.

Any updates on this, OP?

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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: fahtster]
    #10596396 - 06/30/09 06:37 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah, I'd agree that patching could have stopped the earlier fruits as the amount of time an area is fully colonized and left without food to colonize, the earlier it's going to start to fruit... But looking at the pics, it appears that the fruits started at the gap between the substrate and the sides of the FC... you can't exactly patch theses areas... The environmental conditions at those points, combined with multiple other variables probably produced fruits earlier there.

I'm not exactly on board with the idea that those fruits are holding back the entire substrate from fruiting.. I don't think it works like that, but then again, I don't know this for a fact and I'm sure hyphae doesn't either... but to each their own.  I usually always had a few early birds and didn't pick them and the rest of the flush came soon after without me picking the early ones.  But opposition is always good in finding actual factual outcomes.  Biologically it doesn't make much sense to put all your eggs in one or two baskets and the substrate can't count on animals of any sort to pick it's early birds; domestically or in the wild... while it's definitely true that, usually, a substrate with fewer fruits will produce large fruit bodies, the substrate of the apparent size in the photos seems too large to only produce two or three extremely huge fruits; especially if the rest of the fruiting surface is in the right state for pinning and fruiting... this will increase the chances of survival... at least as the substrate is concerned.  At least that's how I see it... But like I said, I can't prove it either way.

Any updates on this, OP?



I've seen it time and time again personally why do you think they call them flushes? Do you believe it takes energy to produce those pins? How about those maturing fruits think they use up much energy? Do you think the myceliums priority would be survival? So why wouldn't it prioritize the successful sporulation of those fruits? FYI once those fruits are gone would you think they're priority would be to send forth another flush to ensure the survival of the species?  Yes I am quite sure of the mechanisms involved. As far as those fruits they fruited there because there is a small space between the sides and the substrate where fresh air can penetrate easier as well as being an areas of higher moisture. It's all about spending energy wisely  GL


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10596855 - 06/30/09 09:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

**Update:




1) This is the picture of the first situation. These are early fruits in picture. I let them to be mature because of some reasons.





2) This picture is taken after early fruits have been harvested. I guess two days later after harvest.
You see two perceptible pins, one on the middle of the surface, the other one on the left side, near the bottom. And you can see smaller shrooms on the right corner. I didn't pick them, because when they appeared, I saw very little pins at different places. I guessed the pins will fruit in short time period, and let these biggies grow.
And the situation came to this:



<-picture X

3) So, in this case, I think the early fruits always slow down the others, especially pins. In three days, some very young mushrooms became mature, but pins just became a little older!





4) And these are the pins you can hardly see at the picture X.
These pics has taken the same day with picture X.


To hyphae, I'm thinking of picking all the early shrooms, until I get a homogeneous pinset, due to these results.

What are your opinions?

Thanks for helping, disscussing with so experienced and trustworthy growers is a honor for me.

Edited by Carcass (06/30/09 11:43 AM)

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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10598557 - 06/30/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah, I'd agree that patching could have stopped the earlier fruits as the amount of time an area is fully colonized and left without food to colonize, the earlier it's going to start to fruit... But looking at the pics, it appears that the fruits started at the gap between the substrate and the sides of the FC... you can't exactly patch theses areas... The environmental conditions at those points, combined with multiple other variables probably produced fruits earlier there.

I'm not exactly on board with the idea that those fruits are holding back the entire substrate from fruiting.. I don't think it works like that, but then again, I don't know this for a fact and I'm sure hyphae doesn't either... but to each their own.  I usually always had a few early birds and didn't pick them and the rest of the flush came soon after without me picking the early ones.  But opposition is always good in finding actual factual outcomes.  Biologically it doesn't make much sense to put all your eggs in one or two baskets and the substrate can't count on animals of any sort to pick it's early birds; domestically or in the wild... while it's definitely true that, usually, a substrate with fewer fruits will produce large fruit bodies, the substrate of the apparent size in the photos seems too large to only produce two or three extremely huge fruits; especially if the rest of the fruiting surface is in the right state for pinning and fruiting... this will increase the chances of survival... at least as the substrate is concerned.  At least that's how I see it... But like I said, I can't prove it either way.

Any updates on this, OP?



I've seen it time and time again personally why do you think they call them flushes? Do you believe it takes energy to produce those pins? How about those maturing fruits think they use up much energy? Do you think the myceliums priority would be survival? So why wouldn't it prioritize the successful sporulation of those fruits? FYI once those fruits are gone would you think they're priority would be to send forth another flush to ensure the survival of the species?  Yes I am quite sure of the mechanisms involved. As far as those fruits they fruited there because there is a small space between the sides and the substrate where fresh air can penetrate easier as well as being an areas of higher moisture. It's all about spending energy wisely  GL





I don't think that you don't know what you're talking about, I just don't agree... which is fine.  Your idea of a flush and my idea of a flush are quite different it would appear.  An entire substrate is not going to put all it's energy to a few fruits unless something else is going on that would keep the substrate from fruiting elsewhere on substrate... and even in that case, if the energy is given to those fruits, they should get freakin' huge and the 'flush' would be about the same, in theory anyway. 

I don't believe the substrate of that size is going to give the entire energy to a few fruits before it starts fruiting elsewhere... But that's just my opinion... I've also witnessed this many many times.  I also doubt that it has to with the casing procedure, either yours or mine since cubes fruit fine with or without a substrate.. I believe something else is going on. 

My take on a flush is that the fruiting surface once used up is going be reluctant from fruiting again once it's already fruited.  Hence why if you get a stellar first flush with full canopies, you're probably not going to get a great looking second flush since most of the nutrients in the general area of a fruit/fruits has been used up.  The substrate is going to use nutrients closest to the fruits and not waste energy transporting them from all over the substrate.  But yeah, I can't prove this so it just remains a theory and something that one can think about. :shrug:

But, OP, if you find that picking the early ones help in filling in the rest of the 'flush', by all means do it. :smile::thumbup:  I've just experienced the opposite.

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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: fahtster]
    #10598818 - 06/30/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So we put food in our stomachs and we grow right out to our toes and fingertips. The mycelial network works as one entity you can get more than one stellar flush I've had 3-4 very nice flushes regularly maybe not as nice as your but that was due to my isolates I'm sure. Size has nothing to do with anything it's not a fact that fewer are ALWAYS bigger but in general the fewer competing for nutes the larger they CAN get BUT NOT ALWAYS nothing in life is a certainty besides death and taxes. You have your right to think however you like you can believe in God or not I won't hold against you. The only thing I'll say is that was one hell of a stellar flush you had there bro! Are they all like that I mean consistently stellar? I had gotten very consistent in my yields. I was always more interested in the why than the how much I could yield. Ever since I was 10 or so I knew absolutely everything that happens happens for a reason and I've been tormented ever since trying to find out why it's a fucking curse! Anyways enjoy your endeavors!


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Carcass]
    #10601804 - 07/01/09 03:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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1) This is the picture of the first situation. These are early fruits in picture. I let them to be mature because of some reasons.





2) This picture is taken after early fruits have been harvested. I guess two days later after harvest.
You see two perceptible pins, one on the middle of the surface, the other one on the left side, near the bottom. And you can see smaller shrooms on the right corner. I didn't pick them, because when they appeared, I saw very little pins at different places. I guessed the pins will fruit in short time period, and let these biggies grow.
And the situation came to this:



<-picture X

3) So, in this case, I think the early fruits always slow down the others, especially pins. In three days, some very young mushrooms became mature, but pins just became a little older!





4) And these are the pins you can hardly see at the picture X.
These pics has taken the same day with picture X.


To hyphae, I'm thinking of picking all the early shrooms, until I get a homogeneous pinset, due to these results.

What are your opinions?

Thanks for helping, disscussing with so experienced and trustworthy growers is a honor for me.




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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: Carcass]
    #10601915 - 07/01/09 05:40 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Right off the bat your casing run was uneven thus the early fruits. You may want to put slightly more casing depth around the parameters next time although this shouldn't be needed with a perfectly level substrate but it should help. That energy wasted in maturing those fruits would have been generated in the casings colonization layer overall. You must be getting real close to the myc breaking the casings surface evenly overall I would think. I can't stress this enough a very level substrate and casing layer will provide a much more even pinset. You can pick them if you want I would your going to have more shrooms than you know what to do with eventually anyway I know the first ones are precious little miracles alright besides the casing colonization has been compromised anyways so I'll leave the decision up to you. GL


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #10601937 - 07/01/09 05:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Can you case a substrate that's been in fruiting for 6 days or so already?


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Re: Casing Layer Questions [Re: johnnyboy]
    #10601991 - 07/01/09 06:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Can you case a substrate that's been in fruiting for 6 days or so already?



I wouldn't recommend it and if you did it would have to be very thin so you'll lose the benefits of a casing so my answer would be a definite no.


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