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koopa_troopa said:
Do what? How in the world are those 2-3 early pins "holding it back"..? I know your the resident casing/pinning strategist around these parts but I fail to see any logic in that assumption.. please explain? If the substrate needed further incubation or wished to dunk it before initiating pinning, then I would understand your advice.. but that sucker is ready to fruit! and those few pins will mature and form much larger fruit bodies. Waste not want not.. I also do not agree with people who state that you should pick ALL fruits even pins at the end of the flush.. erroneous nonsense lol

If I was you, I would increase FAE as well as humidity and allow it to recieve an hr or so of light a day. Many times I have had wonderful pinsets form after a few early risers popped up. If you follow Hyph's advice, make sure to clone those pins.. especially from the cluster

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Doc_T said:
You want clusters, clone from a cluster. Easy-peasy.

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jerrylove said:
or the stem of the largest fruit in the cluster?

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jerrylove said:
OK cant wait to get that big fruit stem yummy! thank you for you awnser. Quick does cloning clusters usually result in grater yields?

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koopa_troopa said:
thanks for the clarification hyph.. didnt mean any disrespect.. I agree with your advice when the fruit bodies have passed the pinning stage.. I failed to magnify those pics so they appeared to be large pins which is why I believed they shouldnt be holding the sub back..

I have a sub ready to fruit right now.. Im going to experiment with som SACing (suplement at casing)! Many studies, esp from Penn state show great promise in this technique. Have you tried this Hyph??

Keep us updated on what you did and any pin set that follows carcass!

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No dis taken friend,
No I haven't never really felt I needed to I guess. SixTango aka Mycota, Agar was the first to really promote this years ago when he was alive it was especially promising in later flush yields. Damn I miss him! RIP my friend!

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Carcass said:
these fruits sucks, i let them to be mature, because i need their spores immediately, but they didn't wanted to give it to me. The caps didn't opened fully. i just rip them out and now i'm waiting for my "true pinset"

among other things, next year i may be in penn state. haha.

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Just make sure you don't let your casing dry out keep it moist. Those early fruits were a result of an early breakthrough of the myc it should have been "patched" immediately to keep it from pinning and allowing the rest of the my to growth through the casing layer evenly not until then will you have your pinset. Read my pinning strategy several times it will all become crystal clear if not PM me with any questions. Many have told me they learn something new every time they read it. It has helped thousands over the years and it is really only comprised of the basics with some insight. To understand myc we must think like myc. GL

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fahtster said:
yeah, I'd agree that patching could have stopped the earlier fruits as the amount of time an area is fully colonized and left without food to colonize, the earlier it's going to start to fruit... But looking at the pics, it appears that the fruits started at the gap between the substrate and the sides of the FC... you can't exactly patch theses areas... The environmental conditions at those points, combined with multiple other variables probably produced fruits earlier there.

I'm not exactly on board with the idea that those fruits are holding back the entire substrate from fruiting.. I don't think it works like that, but then again, I don't know this for a fact and I'm sure hyphae doesn't either... but to each their own.  I usually always had a few early birds and didn't pick them and the rest of the flush came soon after without me picking the early ones.  But opposition is always good in finding actual factual outcomes.  Biologically it doesn't make much sense to put all your eggs in one or two baskets and the substrate can't count on animals of any sort to pick it's early birds; domestically or in the wild... while it's definitely true that, usually, a substrate with fewer fruits will produce large fruit bodies, the substrate of the apparent size in the photos seems too large to only produce two or three extremely huge fruits; especially if the rest of the fruiting surface is in the right state for pinning and fruiting... this will increase the chances of survival... at least as the substrate is concerned.  At least that's how I see it... But like I said, I can't prove it either way.

Any updates on this, OP?

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