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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1053792 - 11/14/02 10:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

they're called aborts, or abhorts. Its when a mushroom stops growing. Also it's not more potent, it's just as potent as a fully grown mushroom I believe.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1053961 - 11/14/02 10:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i can't speak for all psylocybian mushrooms but know that cubensis stop producing alkaloids around the time they start sporulating and the veil starts breaking. this means that a mushroom that increases in weight after the veil breaks will contain about the same overall amount of alkaloids as it did just before. hence, mushrooms harvested after te cap is expanded will be less potent by weight than those harvested brfore.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1053972 - 11/14/02 10:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've never compared by limiting myself to one over the other. To be honest, I've always achieved the level of lucidity I was going for, so I'm never worried about recreating it.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1053991 - 11/14/02 11:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i think that has to do with the wieght to alkaloid content ratio. My guess is that the mushrooms produce alot of their actives at the beggining of their growth and the production declines as more effort is put into making spores. So if you have an abort that is .1 grams and has say X amount of acives in it, then your content for one gram would be 10X. As the mushroom becomes mature, then you get a content of say 2X but it weighs maybe .3 -.5 grams. A gram of of these woud only have a content of 6X-4X respectively. i think that is why people recommend that you harvest just before the veil breaks. In other words you get the max weight to active ratio possible, because you pick before the mushroom starts making spores.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1054548 - 11/15/02 03:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

as long as they are not rotten or moldy they are safe. Remember, an abort is dead tissue and therefore is free game to any other organisms that might be so inclined to colonize it. Don't let aborts sit on your cakes or casings too long.


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    #1054972 - 11/15/02 08:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think you got it wrong...... Mass X is proportional to alkaloid content Y while at a particular point in time, Ts.  Now if gravity, G, is greater in lbs than Y, G > Y,  then you have to calculate for umber of spores, S.  To calculate for S you eat aborts till you puke and divide the weight of your puke ( in grams ) by the total grams or aborts you ate.  That'll give you water retention for the aborts you ate.  Hey wait, I mean.....  arggh ......never mind :confused:


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    #1054975 - 11/15/02 08:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think you got it wrong...... Mass X is proportional to alkaloid content Y while at a particular point in time, Ts.  Now if gravity, G, is greater in lbs than Y, G > Y,  then you have to calculate for umber of spores, S.  To calculate for S you eat aborts till you puke and divide the weight of your puke ( in grams ) by the total grams or aborts you ate.    :grin: 


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: ]
    #1055110 - 11/15/02 10:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What you've said makes sense to me, Fiend. Based on the assumption that you're correct, I would think that for the most efficient use of available moisture and nutes in the substrate to produce the maximum mass of potent fruits, it would be best to harvest just before the veil breaks. Because after that point, the shroom is adding more mass with less alkaloids. I don't know if that makes sense, I'm just thinking through my fingers here. Thanks all for the info.



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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #1055228 - 11/15/02 11:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

cheesenoonions, LMAO.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: canid]
    #1055339 - 11/15/02 12:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have any evidence of this? Where is it documented?


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Raadt]
    #1055353 - 11/15/02 12:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i think it's documented by stamets in TMC (not certain, as i've only browsed through a friend's copy). i'll try to find a link in a few...
i and three other indeviduals have confirmed this by experience by boiassaying 3.5g. of both fully mature fruits and fruits harvested (a little early) brfore the cap started to expand, dried in the same manner, . the bioassays where conducted each a week apart (to allow for a decrease of tollerance) and the fruits all came from the same casing (too flushes from a bulk grow, which may have also caused a difference in potency). the fruits harvested early where indeed agreed to be more potent than those harvested late. although this experiment didn't prove anything as there where too many uncontrolled factors, it did confirm my impressions and agree with the general concensus on the subject.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: ]
    #1056942 - 11/15/02 11:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

a foaf has recently had several failures resulting in a large quantity of aborts. the aborts proved to be potent. i think 9 were eaten along with one 2 inch shroom to very good effect.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: Slighter]
    #1057241 - 11/16/02 02:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

This is an advanced cult. forum. Read the FAQ's. Please. Thank you.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #1059031 - 11/16/02 11:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Stamets suggests that you harvest psilocybe cubensis after the veil breaks and not before it. (at maturity)
I know of no scientific analysis that has demonstrated that the veil of any psilocybe has any relevance to alkaloid production. And I know of no study that has demonstrated aborts to be any more potent by weight than matured fruits.
And Ive never noticed a difference.


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Re: Smaller mushrooms more potent? [Re: ]
    #1059710 - 11/17/02 08:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have to agree with you on the aborts. they're little bombers man


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