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Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore
    #10536086 - 06/19/09 10:56 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)



From Left to Right:

Pereskia Aculeata
Pereskia Weberiana
Pereskia Portulacifolia
Quiabentia Zehntneri

Looks like I forgot the pereskiopsis. Here she is:

Pereskiopsis Variegata.


I love the stem on the pereskiopsis, its a lovely striped pattern. The pereskias are interesting but appear very unsuited to grafting. The pereskia seems to form a very woody stem (just like a shrub) quickly. Id say pereskia leans on more to the side of non cacti whereas pereskiopsis is more of a cacti. The quiabentia is a plant I couldnt resist, it resembles a pereskiopsis somewhat but the leaves are much thicker, the stem larger, and the spines HURT. Theyre barbed and just barely touching one (if it sticks) will allow you to pick the plant up and vigorously shake it without it falling off (the spine bites HARD). I dont know about growth rate on the quiabentia yet but I couldnt resist it. I dont know if there is any literature regarding grafting to it, but frankly I havent had time to search yet. Enjoy :cool:

Oh and excuse photo quality, Im working with my ancient webcam and can only take photos of my smallest plants.



-M


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10536414 - 06/19/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nice plants!  I'd never heard of Quiabentia until this thread, now I'm going to have to get some.  :evil:


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: runrun]
    #10536424 - 06/19/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yea its cool for sure. Wikipedia has a very short entry saying its 'closely related' to pereskiopsis. I didnt see any info on grafting in my 10 minutes searching. I think I need to reword my search to Quiabentia growth rate :thumbup: If anyone has info on Quiabentia growth/grafting please tell.


-M


edit: I have found an entry on a gardening forum saying that it will flower at 24 inches height. Also the tips of the spines apparently have a tiny hook, which explains why it grabs so hard. Cool.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10536603 - 06/19/09 12:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I looked for grafting info really quick, didn't find anything..  I know it would be a real bitch with those huge barbed spines.  I'd end up getting caught and knocking the scion off. :tongue: I guess you could clip the top couple inches of spines off.

I'm thinking it's not commonly used for a grafting stock because it's not as readily available as Pereskiopsis, and probably doesn't offer any speed benefits over Pereskiopsis.  Regardlesss, it'd be pretty cool to have a loph sitting on top of one.

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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10536696 - 06/19/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My baby Pereskia.



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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Urb]
    #10536721 - 06/19/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'll definitely try it. I found pics of Quiabentia specimens the size of trees (literally). I also cant help but think that before pereskiopsis was widespread, there certainly wasnt info on it either. I'll pot it up in a 4" pot with 50/50 coir perlite today and see what happens. I must tread a bit carefully as with any new plant. My pereskiopsis cuttings send roots out of the bottom of a 4 inch pot in 6-7 days, if this one takes longer then that then ill have a good idea on growth rate. Im surprised it flowers at 2 feet tall... and I also wonder if its self sterile, as i could get seeds. I'll keep this thread updated in the coming months of summer.

Nice pereskia. Why are the leaves yellow, do you know? My plants leaves turned yellow when I put it in my miniature hothouse in the shade, yours is full sun. I thought lack of light was responsible, but now im not so sure.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10537840 - 06/19/09 03:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)




Heres one more picture of a somewhat uncommon plant that I wanted to share. This one is called Leuchtembergia Principis. Common name: Agave Cactus. It is blue green and has areoles at the tips of the stalks and 2-4 bristlelike spines per areole. This one is a nice triple clump which ill divide next summer. This will be the last bit of porn from me for the day, maybe tomorrow ill post some trich's, including a monstrous peruvianoid.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10538789 - 06/19/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nice plants man! :thumbup:


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10541387 - 06/20/09 06:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

pereskia don't make good grafting stocks for the reasons you mentioned, too woody.
the quiabentia looks like it would be good though :yesnod:


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10542210 - 06/20/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)



These are some pics (unfortunately very low quality... im sorry!) of my monstrous Trichocereus Peruvianoid.

The first picture is of the upper half of the plant and the second is a close up of the common monstrous form of molten wax ribs. The plant looks as though it has reverted to regular but I dont think so. All up and down the column it has done nothing but gain and lose ribs and remain confused its entire life. I promise better pics of this plant someday, and hopefully by then it will be again displaying monstrous growth. (Im sure it will)

I thought all you trich lovers (myself included) would love to see this picture. It doesent appear to be the same clone as ive seen floating around of a molten wax peruvian, I did purchase this plant and the ex owner didnt recall his source. Not a bad catch for $6. Its as healthy as can be and I transplanted it to a 50/50 coir perlite mix with plenty of dolomite lime, epsoma bio tone, powdered kelp, and FoxFarm 3-8-8 bulb food w/ mycorrhizae. Its in active growth and will be ready for a transplant next summer. The spines are a yellow-brown and the skin is a glaucous blue on the new growth, as with any peruvianoid trichocereus.


This is one of my 10-15 favorite plants, I need a better camera to really show it off, but well have to wait as I went on an amazon.com book binge last night and spent my grocery money lol. On that note, anyone familiar with the following books?

"The Cactus Family" (Edawrd Anderson) - the up to date cacti lexicon

"The World Encyclopedia of Cacti and Succulents" - Im sure the good Dr can chime in on this one

I know Ill be happy with the other two books as ive read reviews here and elsewhere. I'm saving up for some sort of winter greenhouse so the books and one more trip to cactus land will be the end of my summer spending. Enjoy the pics, I may post some T. Peruvianoid Icaros DNA seedlings and two year olds (whom are quite big actually) later today.


-M

Edit: Oh and thank you everyone for your comments, I seem to get ahead of myself when discussing cacti hehe. :mushroom2:


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10543676 - 06/20/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have one similar monstrous peruvianus, except that mine is short spined.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #10544019 - 06/20/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

We should start a collection to get you a better camera.:wink:


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I went to boys town in Nuevo Laredo when I was in my early ‘30s
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-Whenever you hear 5 blasts from the emergency horn that’s the signal for a 30 minute buttfucking break-      Fiery said:
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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Urb]
    #10575210 - 06/26/09 04:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Did you graft anything to that Quiabentia yet?


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: runrun]
    #10576971 - 06/26/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

No, its a cutting that ive had planted for about a week. No roots yet, but ive had it sitting in a shaded area, not my mini greenhouse (my HOT house) and no roots yet. I buried it just a little bit deeper as I walked in the door earlier, I did read a bit of literature from "The World Encyclopedia of Cacti and Succulents" and it says it is a fast grower. The soil is dry, I do my pereskiopsis cuttings in wet soil and they root strongly in 6-8 days. I didnt do this because im dealing with a new plant and dont want to induce rot. I'll step outside and throw it in the hothouse and see if it doesent root quicker. Im quite eager to graft to it.. ive got seedlings of T. Bridgesii, T. Peru (4 varieties), T. Scopulicola, and Ariocarpus Agavoides all ready to graft or grow.

Im not sure what ill try to graft yet... and in fact depending on when it roots I may not get to this summer. I need to establish a large supply of them before I get to grafting (the scion steals the growth from the mother plant, I need more Quiabentia before I need grafts) and I need lots of clone children. The variegated pereskiopsis HAS rooted now but lost some leaves. I dont think it can take as much sun as pereskiopsis (go figure, half the leaves dont have chlorophyll). The temps here past few days were 98 F with the heat index at a killer 108. Its a tough plant just like its mutation free relatives, as it IS growing.


I would also add the Pereskiopsis Variegata has red leaf margins in full sun, making it VERY attractive (tri colored). I still dont see any spines or glochids. I'll eventually also graft to it, and if the growth rate is good enough (which I doubt it will be due to the variegation) then it would be preferable to regular pereskiopsis because it doesent seem to form spines or glochids (yet). The Pereskias handle FULL sun even without many roots, and the new growth isnt very woody (so it is perhaps in theory possible to graft to, if it accepts the scion). In the end it seems Pereskiopsis is the tried and true way to graft seedlings, but i'll damn sure test the alternatives. My agenda now is to find other species of pereskiopsis besides P. Spathulata.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #11269827 - 10/18/09 06:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Methadone, nice to see you have so many different clones and species of Pereskia/Pereskiopsis. I have received a monstrose form of Pereskiopsis cutting lately. It will grow like a christmas tree, with new growths pop up nearly in every buds eye.

I shall post the picture tomorrow~~~~


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: jjable]
    #11269835 - 10/18/09 06:04 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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jjable said:
Methadone, nice to see you have so many different clones and species of Pereskia/Pereskiopsis. I have received a monstrose form of Pereskiopsis cutting lately. It will grow like a christmas tree, with new growths pop up nearly in every buds eye.

I shall post the picture tomorrow~~~~




Please do, feel free to post it here if you dont mind.

I've only ever seen one and the fellow claimed it was dying/doing badly.. this was here, several years ago. I eagerly await your photo, sounds like photo of the month material already lol.

Edit: Wow, I really need to update these photos with my new camera.. these were taken with a $10 webcam before I had my digi!

-M


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: Methadone]
    #11273533 - 10/18/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Here they are :wink:




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    #11273558 - 10/18/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I expect the monstrose form is better for grafting because the grafting stock won't be leaf-less even after a year. You can just cut away those side branches that is taller then the scion.


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Re: Pereskia, Pereskiopsis, and Quiabentia. Leafy Cacti Galore [Re: jjable]
    #11277674 - 10/19/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That's really interesting. Myself and a few others have seen the process of 'creating' this plant on another cacti forum. It's worth noting that this growth form is suspected to be caused by an infectious mycoplasma organism.

I dont know the specific workings on a microscopic level, but it basically seems to cause excessive branching. I saw the same growth in an 'original' Pereskiopsis spathulata grafted to Opuntia/Austrocylindropuntia subulata monstrose and the scion became 'infected' with the monstrose growth form.

I myself have tested this on a seedling graft to O/A. Subulata monstrose using a T. Bridgesii scion, unfortunately this was to my large mother plant and the scion isnt getting as much energy as it should be.. but it should give me an idea of whether or not this supposed mycoplasma will affect all cacti or only select genera.

If anyone wants a link to the original article for reading.. PM me. Amberica/Prof. Astro was actually the one whom first showed it to me in June.

JJable, why is the meristem of the plant off color? It looks as if lack of light, but is it? I'm simply curious as to the extent of mutation happening, looks like simple low light growth.. but worth asking.

Thanks for the photos, its pretty neat.

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