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kron_weed
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Contam turn goodies??
#6650210 - 03/08/07 06:56 PM (17 years, 15 days ago) |
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Hey, i have a privative terrarium and the usual perlite humid tech with the usual pf tech cake. i have harevested this cake once already with 100% no contamination. after neglect, its been like 10 or so days since last fruiting and a contamination was found. can i grow this diseased cake so i can get a mushroom to sporeprint??
can i sporeprint a contaminated mushroom and still hope to only get sterile prints/syringes??
the contam currently is only in the fluid in the bottem
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Premedman1
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: kron_weed]
#6650278 - 03/08/07 07:12 PM (17 years, 15 days ago) |
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If that's you and your cake in your avatar, I can't imagine how your cake got contaminated.
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kron_weed
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Premedman1]
#6653627 - 03/09/07 05:26 PM (17 years, 14 days ago) |
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lol, yea it is. there is no question what lead to contam and im not cying about it. at worst i start everything over again. im just wondering if i can grow a mushroom thats contaminated and get a viable print from it. there are pins and the usual sign of fruiting in the second flush. is there anything i should do diffent when i print? or should i just keep u guys informed.
obviously it goes without saying theese contam mush'ies arent for human consumption
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: kron_weed]
#6653847 - 03/09/07 06:47 PM (17 years, 14 days ago) |
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Mushrooms from a contaminated cake are safe to eat. They don't 'absorb' contaminants from the substrate or all wild mushrooms would be unsafe to eat. If the mold or bacteria is on the fruit itself of course, don't eat it. It's common in the commercial industry to harvest fruits from contaminated substrates and send them to market. There are no health regulations against it because it's not a risk factor. RR
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Ganzig
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6654176 - 03/09/07 08:36 PM (17 years, 14 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms from a contaminated cake are safe to eat. They don't 'absorb' contaminants from the substrate or all wild mushrooms would be unsafe to eat. If the mold or bacteria is on the fruit itself of course, don't eat it. It's common in the commercial industry to harvest fruits from contaminated substrates and send them to market. There are no health regulations against it because it's not a risk factor. RR
That makes perfect sense but, why is it that everyone is so very against eating mushrooms from a contaminated cake or any substrate for that matter? I have been told that i could possibly die from eating a mushroom off of a cake that has contams!?!?!?!?!? How can so many people be misinformed? I trust you, but it seems to be old knowledge that it is unsafe to ingest mushrooms from this situation.
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Ganzig]
#6654303 - 03/09/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 14 days ago) |
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It's not old knowledge. It's misinformation that gets repeated way too much. If a mushroom itself has bacterial blotch or any other contaminant, toss it out just to play it safe. However, mushrooms from a substrate with contaminants are normal. All substrates have contaminants unless you're growing on sterilized sawdust in outer space. In addition, do a google search for 'organic gardening' and 'trichoderma'. You'll see that organic gardeners order trichoderma cultures to fight disease in their gardens. It's a beneficial organism.
In addition, one of the many species of bacteria we in myclogy always just lump together and call 'wet spot', which is bacillus, is also ordered by organic gardeners to spray on their flowers to control caterpillars. It's known as BT. Crops are safe to harvest and eat the day of spraying.
One of these days people will quit repeating the mantra that green mold will kill you. Until then, I'll keep trying to set the record straight. Don't even get me started on myc piss again. RR
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Ganzig
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6654356 - 03/09/07 10:00 PM (17 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cool. That makes so much more sense. And dont worry about me bringing up the myc piss stuff.:) I have seen you go through the motions of that topic already. And sorry for hijacking your thread Kron.
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Edited by Ganzig (03/09/07 10:01 PM)
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kron_weed
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Ganzig]
#6658544 - 03/11/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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RR YOU never cease to amaz me. im proposing a new rule...lol... no-one posts on a thread until RR does cuz he will and always does, answer the question beyond a shadow of a doubt...lol
J/k
have a good one........now i can actually still harvest my shrooms, im happy
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kron_weed
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: kron_weed]
#6658549 - 03/11/07 02:47 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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yea..this is red mold with a slightly stinky ass smelling odour...but again, it dosent even exist on the cake, its int he perlite and has washed onto the cake.....
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: kron_weed]
#6658572 - 03/11/07 03:02 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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Sterilized substrate in outer space? Sounds charming and delicious. Wonder how many flushes you could get in such aseptic conditions? :P *imagines a glass terrarium floating in free space*
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HippieChick
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Ganzig]
#6658592 - 03/11/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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That makes perfect sense but, why is it that everyone is so very against eating mushrooms from a contaminated cake or any substrate for that matter? I have been told that i could possibly die from eating a mushroom off of a cake that has contams!?!?!?!?!? How can so many people be misinformed? I trust you, but it seems to be old knowledge that it is unsafe to ingest mushrooms from this situation.
I wound up eating these
just to prove it to myself , lol
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Premedman1
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: HippieChick]
#6658596 - 03/11/07 03:14 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm not sure, but I think he was asking if it was possible to get a clean, viable print from a contaminated cake, not just if he could eat them.
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kron_weed
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Premedman1]
#6659426 - 03/11/07 07:33 PM (17 years, 12 days ago) |
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yea... i was just wondering about the print thingy...but now that i know the shrooms are okay, im gellin like magellin...(booo)..lol
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Ganzig
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: HippieChick]
#6661474 - 03/12/07 02:01 PM (17 years, 11 days ago) |
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That makes perfect sense but, why is it that everyone is so very against eating mushrooms from a contaminated cake or any substrate for that matter? I have been told that i could possibly die from eating a mushroom off of a cake that has contams!?!?!?!?!? How can so many people be misinformed? I trust you, but it seems to be old knowledge that it is unsafe to ingest mushrooms from this situation.
I wound up eating these
just to prove it to myself , lol
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
That is sooooooo lame to hear now. I recently threw out a quarter of great GTs that I thought MIGHT be contaminated. Ahhhhh. Shitty. i have half a syringe left and some fruits too. Not all is lost. I actually threw them out, then pulled them out of the garbage(they were still in the bag), and then threw them away again.
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: Ganzig]
#6661506 - 03/12/07 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 days ago) |
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Wow Hippie Chick that pic is insane... the first cake I grew had a little mold and I dosed on its fruits and chucked it, but that is like a cesspool of trichoderma there... I'd be truly hesitant to eat them... just another reason you are a legend in my mind!
However, I did have a monotub of similar scale crop up with a few tiny green blotches and I dosed on those as well... I'm sure if I left it long enough it would have resulted in a very similar green pool... yeach!
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Contam turn goodies?? [Re: xeallos]
#6662053 - 03/12/07 04:36 PM (17 years, 11 days ago) |
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Geezus girl, I wouldn't even have eaten those, and I've been known to go down on some nasty stuff. RR
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Dr. Zowie
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Roger...this is an old thread...but...I wanna make sure your information is correct. Did you say that the Wet Spot bacillus is B. thuragensis? Every rye bag I touch turns to Wet Spot...and I didnt understand the source. I have a big bag of BT spore powder in the next room with the garden equipment....the air everywhere in the house is probably loaded with BT spores.
What do I do to reduce airborne contamination now that I have unleashed the spores?
Edited by Dr. Zowie (06/16/09 04:43 PM)
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