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Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) 3
#10507252 - 06/14/09 09:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a Trichocereus Pachanoi

Also knowns as Echinopsis Pachanoi or the San Pedro cactus, it has been used by the people of Peru for many years as a medicinal plant, primarily for its hallucinogenic properties.
Over the past years the cactus has gained in popularity as an easy way of acquiring Mescaline, the chief chemical in the well known Peyote (Lophophora Williamsii) cactus.
Through this interest many newcomers to cactus identification have gone out on the town and on the web searching for this interesting and enchanting cactus.
Sadly, also through the rise sellers have begun selling different species and many innocent non-psychoactives have been cut down due to poor identification.
This guide will help newcomers to cacti and the San Pedro alike be able to tell the difference between it and it's spiny counterparts.
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Ribs

One of the most definitive differences between T. Pachanoi and many others is the ribs or sections of the plants stem.
As you can see by the top the ribs are very rounded and almost inflated looking.

One of the Most common things San Pedros are confused with are members of the Cereus family.
When cut, this is how the ribs are seen.
As you can see they are very narrow and create deep, widely spaced canyons in between the ribs.

Another common cactus San Pedros are confused with are that of Myrtillocactus Geometrizans.
From the top it looks fairly similar to that of the san pedro.
The biggest difference is that the myrtle tends to come to more of a point at the summit of the rib and seems to be a much sharper angle.

I also tend to see a lot of confusion about Pilosocereus Azureus.
As you can see the ribs are about the same structure as San Pedro, But the skin TENDS to be a frost blue

Last but not least we have Stetsonia Coryne.
Also known as the toothpick cactus, this frequent look-alike has ribs very similar to that of T. Pachanoi.
The biggest difference however is that where the spines come out the ribs usually appear to widen, giving the ribs a wavy vertical appearance.
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Spines and Areoles
As we all know, many cacti have spines, and the San pedro is no exception (most of the time).
However, we can use this to our advantage in Identifying the cactus as each species has unique spines.

San Pedro spines on the common Backberg Clone(the most common cultivar) typically are 4-6 in number, 1-3mm long, and pale brown when they first emerge, fading to a grayish white with age.
The thing the spines protrude from are called Areoles.
This is what differentiates cacti from other succulents and makes them unique.
On a Backberg San Pedro the areoles usually start white or a tan and turn white with age.
Another key feature on the Backberg Pedros are that the areoles appear upturned.

On the Cereus the spines are usually red-brown on white-grey areoles in clusters of 5-10 .5-1cm long spines.
As you can also see, the cereus seem to have a more wavy demeanor, as there tends to be humps in between the areoles.

The Myrtle's spines are usually a dark red- black fading to a dark gray with age and come out of a usually tan areole at numbers of 5-8.

On some Myrtles the Aerols seem be present at the peak of the hump on the rib, but seem to point downwards.

On the P. Azureus, spines are abundant and have a gold to yellow-orange color and tend to come out of tan-grey shortly spaced areoles.
Sometimes these even will have thin strands of wool around them.

The easiest way to determine if your specimen is not a San Pedro, but a toothpick cactus (S. Coryne) is to exam the spines and areoles.
Stetsonias are given the name toothpick due to their large 1-2cm spines
These usually come out of VERY enlarged white areoles in sets of 6-8 spines.
When wet the spines can appear anywhere from tan to dark-brown and quickly fade to white.
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Conclusion
When searching for San Pedro these are what I look for and really help in determining the species.
You now have sufficient information and pictures to help identify a Trichocereus Pachanoi.
As a conclusion I would also like to thank PsilocybinMind for posting pictures of his san pedro (if you have a problem with my use please PM me)
Please be careful when searching for cacti, as there are many people who would like to make a quick buck.
These were found on a popular auction site being marketed as T. Pachanooi, but now that you know the difference you won't be buying these thinking they're such right? 

ALSO! I would like to also ask that if you find a plant growing at a neighbor or person around towns house, that you please ask them before taking a cutting.
Stealing is wrong, a bad vibe, and may possibly get you arrested, so please don't do it.
If there are any other questions or recommendations feel free to post them.
On that note, happy growing and good luck!
-Cactusdan-
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Feel free to print this out and take it with you to your favorite nursery when hunting cacti.
Click here and right-click save image as to get the Quick Guide
Edited by Cactusdan (08/29/09 06:04 AM)
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this is like a non thread dude
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Meh, I shall turn it into a proper pedro ID thread then yes?
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what? you mean those are not pedro's?
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No, and let me edit my top post to tell you and the many other newcomers to the cacti field why!
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...now imagine if the seller actually thinks those are pedros.
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it is a bit sickening that someone is selling these as t. pachanoi.
fuck them and the horse they rode in on!
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Quote:
Dr. uarewotueat said: it is a bit sickening that someone is selling these as t. pachanoi.
fuck them and the horse they rode in on!
With the cactus cuttings pictured..
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: apt403]
#10507748 - 06/14/09 10:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lemme know what I can fix/change to make this better!
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this thread now delivers 
one thing you should add which is very important and easy for n00bs to recognise when they are trying to id san pedro (and other trichocereus) is that the aeroles always point upwards 
and you should probably add a section for pilosocereus azureus and stetsonia coryne too, as they are often mistaken for san pedro.
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Thanks, I'll add the stetsonia and pilosocereus! Oh and I got the guy to change his auction
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#10508659 - 06/15/09 02:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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 can't beleive people would think thats a pedro
I once checked up on an add on Craigs List, some guy selling san pedro's sparked my interest had pictures of pedro's on the add so I went across town to check it out,I get there and he points to to 2 huge cereus peruvianus and asks me how much I wanted I tried to explain to him what he actually had and he just wasn't buying it, Fucking waste of gas. Well nice right up with good things to know, cause there's always someone out there trying to make a quick buck
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Blow_in]
#10508673 - 06/15/09 03:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think this guy honestly didn't know but you shouldn't even think about selling it as such with out absolute knowledge.
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Quote:
bloodnashes666 said: Oh and I got the guy to change his auction 
good work!
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lol. I was wondering why there wasn't already a thread like this. Seems 50% of topics on the EB Garden are "Is this cactus what I wish it was?"
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Now updated with pilosocereus, stetsonia, and colors!
I'm going to work on making a chart for people to download and print too.
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I really like your guide man! 
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Two of those pictures look so familiar .
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Yes sir! Even put in a shout out to ya 
I now have the IDing quick guide up.
Just click the link and save the picture!
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Nice guide! I can see it being useful for a ton of people. Good work!
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Nice chart!
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nice job man, it's looking more like the finished artlicle now. hopefully this will help some cactus n00bs out
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Nice work bro.
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: ethnoguy]
#10513472 - 06/15/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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i added it to the useful thread section of the FAQ's
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Thanks guys!
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#10517989 - 06/16/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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~Sometimes these even will have thin strands of wool around them.~
AKA: Cephalium.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Urb]
#10522873 - 06/17/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should we make this thread a sticky?
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: PsilocybinMind]
#10522874 - 06/17/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe later, there are far too many stickies in this forum as it is.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#10522943 - 06/17/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yesterday I saw a bunch of cereus peruvianus being sold as san pedro for a high price on an auction site, and some guy bought them
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: jds]
#10807672 - 08/05/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm gonna give this guy a bump considering I've seen an influx in faulty finds.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#10809572 - 08/06/09 02:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great stuff this is the first time on any forum i have seen a basic ID thread without all the bullshit. This is what cacti noobs like me need basic and to the point.
Cheers Got
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: GoOnThen]
#10958620 - 08/28/09 10:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bumpity Bump!
Hope this guide helps all who seek the beautiful Trichocereus Pachanoi!
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#10959552 - 08/29/09 01:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks dan
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: dstark]
#10959750 - 08/29/09 02:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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There he goes again, spelling areole all funny like. (everyone else fuck off, I rarely get a chance to rip on OTHERS about spelling! )
neat guide man. But there is to much confusion amongst the trichocereus, sorry Echinopsis, to make a simple guide....even the dudes studying these fuggers cant draw simple lines with the current system. perhaps it should be a "tall growing cactus that gets you high identification guide"
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kadakuda]
#10959968 - 08/29/09 06:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I told you I've been spelling it wrong for years 
It'll be edited soon enough, the quide is more for newbies, so that we don't continuously see, is my neighbor cerus peruvianus psychedelic????
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#10960272 - 08/29/09 08:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know, i know...you da man.
just let me cherish the moment
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kadakuda]
#10961439 - 08/29/09 01:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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at least this guide points people in the right direction for trichocereus. it's just a shame that it all gets so confusing after that
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What about Juuls Giant? I seem to remember it being an almost identical match.
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: Urb]
#10965288 - 08/30/09 09:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Juuls Giant is a variety of pachanoi, possibly a hybrid but not a separate species.
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: Hanky]
#10965485 - 08/30/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh man. You should turn this into a Dichotomous Key for the active cacti and lookalikes. That's where you start out with question, and it gives you two options, then each option leads to a new question, until it has been narrowed down to a positive ID. Kind of like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure with plants.
On the paths that lead you to inactive Cacti, the final choice should read "WON'T GET YOU HIGH, n00b!!!"
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A nice post would be a sticky with all of the Botanical terms. Also one explaining what all of the Latin names mean. I know they can be searched , but it would ne a nice addition to EBG.
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: Urb]
#10966337 - 08/30/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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write it for us Urb. i'll add it to the FAQ's
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don't know if i said it but this is a great cacti id thread. as so many newbies are often fooled with a cerues cactus. good job dan.
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I think its time for a little BUMP for this threat, see some new IDs come up 
I guess im not the only 1 that want this post to be STICKIED
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Re: Bloody idiots! [Re: dstark]
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Thanks mate, you won't see me complaining about a sticky
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#11082526 - 09/18/09 10:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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thks for the post, nearly ate a whole bunch of cactus which i thought might be Peruvians... before i drop the idea, think you are able to help me by confirming that these are non mescaline containing cactus? Any help will be greatly appreciated



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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: carbonsteel]
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inactive.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#11083375 - 09/18/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep inactive. Cmon doc, a sticky it is xD
Edit: he wont the ban lottery for a week, but a week already passed so why he is still banned? some1 forgot to unban or what O.o
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#11086773 - 09/19/09 12:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thks guys for saving me from eating a load of unactive cactus
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#11264104 - 10/17/09 05:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really nice guide there question though: should the noob (like me) also rely on it when looking at possible bridgesii, peruvianus or other trich. species? Couldn't find out yet how much they differ.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: spacel0rd]
#11264371 - 10/17/09 08:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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As far as rib structure goes they are similar but there are differences.
Also chances are bridgesii and peruvianus will not be found in most stores that don't specialize in cacti or around town.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#11327283 - 10/26/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bump, because I believe this thread can always be used by someone
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
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thank you as there is a wealth of useful info here.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#16978038 - 10/06/12 02:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just bought a little cactus at Home Depot on the suspicion of mescaline. Unfortunately, your guide identified it for me as a Pilosocereus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilosocereus
Thanks for the guide!
First post, as well.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#20629491 - 09/28/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi there, hope there is some life still left on this threat. Want to confirm whether or not this is a San Pedro or not! All help greatly appreciated 
P9210055 by lightwaveradio, on Flickr
P9210054 by lightwaveradio, on Flickr
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: saintpeter]
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saintpeter said: Hi there, hope there is some life still left on this threat. Want to confirm whether or not this is a San Pedro or not! All help greatly appreciated 
P9210055 by lightwaveradio, on Flickr
P9210054 by lightwaveradio, on Flickr
No,no it's not.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#20629558 - 09/28/14 07:02 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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could it still be psychoactive?
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: saintpeter]
#20629561 - 09/28/14 07:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's a Myrtillocactus,and no it's not psychoactive.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#20629654 - 09/28/14 07:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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thank you very much! your help is appreciated
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: saintpeter]
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#20630166 - 09/28/14 10:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could it be a Trichocereus Scopulicola, maybe??
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: 1234go]
#20630389 - 09/28/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those spines sure make me think Myrtillocactus
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: facepockets]
#20634214 - 09/29/14 08:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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And you're probably right.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: 1234go]
#22296404 - 09/26/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi! Could you please help me identify whether or not this is Pedro? Thanks in advance 
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: claudiobar]
#22296432 - 09/26/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, not a pedro. Or any trichocereus for that matter.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: cowsRmeat]
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Oh  Thank you very much anyways then
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: claudiobar]
#22302312 - 09/28/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yep, that's just a cereus. Been away guys...nerve damage has me out for the count.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
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kosmokratorshaman said: yep, that's just a cereus. Been away guys...nerve damage has me out for the count.
What happened?!
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22422669 - 10/23/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear that kosmos  U better now? Oh and BTW, what about these ones? I think the greener one is Pedro!
Otherwise I'll quit my search ha ha 
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: claudiobar]
#22427272 - 10/24/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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claudiobar said: Sorry to hear that kosmos  U better now? Oh and BTW, what about these ones? I think the greener one is Pedro!
Otherwise I'll quit my search ha ha 

Those look like trichocereus. Ask before you take a cutting.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22786253 - 01/16/16 12:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read from various sources, Trichocereus Peruvianus, or peruvian torch, has 3 to 10 times more mescaline than T.Pachanoi. Inhowfar is that true, and what are the diffrences in the way they look?
Finally, risking a severe disappointment, what is this:
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: noob1138]
#22786367 - 01/16/16 01:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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noob1138 said: Inhowfar is that true Thanks
Inhowfar
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
#22786374 - 01/16/16 01:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know a whole lot, just started to learn, but my guess would be a bridgesii, or bridgesii cross. Bridgesii is considered to be stronger of the three. No disappointment for you sir. You can send me a 12 inch piece and I'll test it out for you to make sure it's good
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
#22786477 - 01/16/16 01:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. Well that's great. As for "Inhowfar" I just made that up ^^, like eg. "inasmuch".
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: noob1138]
#22786521 - 01/16/16 02:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Insofar as I know it probably came to mind because of "insofar" ?
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
#22786574 - 01/16/16 02:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, that was it. Inhowfar is a direct german translation, the same as "insofar" when used as a question.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: noob1138]
#22884892 - 02/09/16 07:57 PM (8 years, 9 days ago) |
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id is what i am looking for...... any help would be great!
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: dirtydingusus]
#22885056 - 02/09/16 08:30 PM (8 years, 9 days ago) |
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That would be a Cereus sp. Probably C. peruvianus/repandus
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: karode13]
#22887322 - 02/10/16 11:27 AM (8 years, 8 days ago) |
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thank you very much!!
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Re: San Pedro or no?? [Re: Auvamusic]
#25324910 - 07/13/18 08:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just a regular Cereus plant. Not psychoactive but makes some tasty fruits if you live in a good climate for flowers
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Thanks auvamusic for opening the thread back up I was hoping to get an ID on these little guys. Bought them as peruvianus but I suspect they're actually pachoanoi. Any input would be greatly appreciated
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You need to start your own thread. It makes this a lot easier and more people will likely reply.
Also your pics aren't clear enough for me to count the spines per areole nor see the tinge or spacing of the areoles.
I Need clearer pics to give you a solid ID.
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Yeah I just zoomed in on some pics I had on my phone I'll try to remember to get some better ones this evening. There are 4-7ish orange/brown spines per areola which is a very light tan color. Didn't really want to start a new thread, but I will if you think I should. Also,I'm brand new to the forum didn't realize I was replying directly to you thanks for your input
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It's ok Bro. You can post your pics here if you want I just know you'll have better luck and possibly more people to view it in a brand new thread.
A lot of people don't like old resurrected threads so I've noticed less responses when people try to use them.
Post a LOT clearer pics wherever you want and if no one else will, I should be able to help you at least.
From the number of spines you told me about I'd imagine you have a cross of some sort likely with some bridgesii genetics and I could kind of tell that the areoles seems far spaced so that seems bridgesii as well.
What was it sold to you as? Did they just say Pach?
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Hey thanks a lot. They were sold as t. peruvianus
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Could be a Bridge X Peru or a Peru X Bridge. (No matter what) from the very little I can see from your picture and from what you told me, You DO have some Bridge in that plant in 1 way or another.
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That's awesome to hear thanks man! I thought bridge/Peruvian had long spines even as pups that's the main reason I was thinking it was pach. Thanks again I'll be sure to get you some better pics when I get home tonight
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Here I hope these come out better. I also posted them on the ethnobotanical garden thanks again bro I appreciate the input.
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Ok Now it looks more Peruvian than in the first set of pics. I'm going to say it could still be a cross but it does have Peruvian in it.
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Right on I was hoping so. My buddy has a nice pedro I can get some cuttings from and I'm Gonna have to pick up some bridge pups in the near future. Pretty stoked to start a nice lil garden. Much appreciated brother.
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Struggling with ID, circling around; once i find one San Pedro, I'll know it when I see it. Is this a look-a-like? The ribs seem thin compared to most photos :/.

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Re: San Pedro or no?? [Re: Auvamusic]
#25337106 - 07/20/18 01:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are right. ribs are too pointed. I don't have time to look at it real well but quick guess something like a Pilocereus. I don't think it's a Pilo for sure but I can't think of the name of the plant I think it really is right now being I'm in a rush.
Still at work now
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Looks to be a mexican fence post cactus aka Pachycereus marginatus. Definitely along those lines if it's not.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Cactusdan]
#25924472 - 04/09/19 07:32 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all an ozzy bloke here who found these with my mate in his back yard of the place he is renting and we both were wondering if you lads can help us identify whether we have ourselves some beautiful cacti or some ornament crap


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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Onecouriousdude]
#25924503 - 04/09/19 07:49 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you cut the land lords cactus?
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#25924508 - 04/09/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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pretty much yeah but i mean i've just saved them because he was just gonna dump em, to clear the clutter on the the rentals patio, need an id asap as we have 3 1/2 foot boiled and ready for my cat to ingest
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Onecouriousdude]
#25924527 - 04/09/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are all trichocereus
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Onecouriousdude]
#25924533 - 04/09/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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To me they all look like active trichocereus cacti.
Only one way to find out how active they really are. 3.5 feet shared by two should be a pretty strong trip. 
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: pinedownpioneer]
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omg thank you so much i got 3 and a half foot been boiling for hour and a half is that fine between two people
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Pandemoon]
#25924535 - 04/09/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry pandemoon i didnt see this but thanks so much for the heads up
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Onecouriousdude]
#25924541 - 04/09/19 08:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Boil it for longer. 1.5h seems too little for me. Three hours or more is preffered.
I usually boil the well chopped pieces for 7 to 10 hours in total, I do several boils with fresh water each time. Then I strain well, combine the liquids and reduce down to a more drinkable ammount, or dry it down to tar and take the tar like small pills.
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Pandemoon]
#25924552 - 04/09/19 08:19 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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will do thank you for the heads up
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Re: Proper San Pedro Identification (formerly known as Bloody Idiots!) [Re: Onecouriousdude]
#25924648 - 04/09/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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bout to strain and prep this stuff wish my cat luck boys
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here we go boys see you on the other side peace love happiness
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Those were beautiful specimens, especially the white cacti wt if there not gone already, maybe grow some for the future.
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The white ones HD that coloration to it because it had been frozen previously to taking the picture but I only took a foot Off of the one in the pot 2 hours almost and still nothing a few hot sweats and dizziness but we have had Valium and week so I dunno
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thanks to those who commented with an answer i am glad to say they are Trichocereus much love and peace fellas
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