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Installing a hidden web cam in my car
    #10507142 - 06/14/09 09:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hi all,

After witnessing how wonderful police can be to general public Id like to have a hidden security camera in my car, just in case they flex their muscles for no good reason.

Any ideas? I have some help available for fitting it, just dont know what one to choose.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #10508967 - 06/15/09 05:43 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, there's a lot of people selling stealth camera's out there

(here's one)

A bigger issue will be where to install it.
What do you want to catch on screen: the driver/passenger seats, the back seats, area in front of your hood, or behind your rear bumper?


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Plastered marble]
    #10512477 - 06/15/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Many states have laws against videotaping someone without consent. However, it depends on the degree of privacy expected. Install it in a restroom and you will be charged. In public, it just depends and i think you'd get away with it but check your local laws. You may be required to post a notice saying video taping is in progress or something of the sort. Look at the little fast food and grocery stores which use cameras. They will have a notice out front. Put a notice someplace where it can be seen and you are good as gold. If the cop tells you to turn it off, you are usually within your rights to refuse. Of course then they might have to deal with you for resisting but it will all be captured on tape unless the cop accidentally destroys the tape while subduing you.


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10513174 - 06/15/09 08:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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...unless the cop accidentally destroys the tape while subduing you.




Thats was the first thing I thought.  Better make sure a backup is made and hidden.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: DieCommie]
    #10515414 - 06/16/09 06:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Why tell the cop anything about the tape? Thats the whole reason for having a video/audio recording, so the cop knows nothing about it. If he does then he will act like a proper cop would.

PS i dont live in the states...I could have a little sticker under my car "video camera on board" :laugh:

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #10515491 - 06/16/09 06:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i love the idea of the citizen having the data of the car recorded. sound, video, speed. Ect..


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: orison]
    #10515661 - 06/16/09 08:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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orison319 said:
i love the idea of the citizen having the data of the car recorded. sound, video, speed. Ect..



Love the cosmic squerrel :wink:

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #10516572 - 06/16/09 11:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

As I said, some states require notice or the person could be guilty of a felony. Cops hate to be watched or recorded anyway. You can find out online if you have to give notice. I don't believe there is any requirement to show where the camera is. Most cops will see that and leave you alone so even without a camera it would be a good thing.


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #10525476 - 06/17/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

anyone can record police activity while their on duty, they have no expectation of privacy while working


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: 5150]
    #10529638 - 06/18/09 10:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"anyone can record police activity while their on duty, they have no expectation of privacy while working"

How about recording a police woman while she is in the john? I agree that while in public it usually is permitted but i still say to check your states laws.  There are laws many places that you can't audio record someone without giving them notice that you are doing it even in public. If you see a little notice in a bank or convenience store that video surveillence is going on, there is a reason for that.


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: 5150]
    #10529936 - 06/18/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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anyone can record police activity while their on duty, they have no expectation of privacy while working




That is true in most states, but sometimes wiretapping laws apply.  People have been charged with felonies for videotaping police in some states.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10533842 - 06/18/09 11:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I used to live in one of those states that had laws against video taping people without knowing.. their was a catch though. Only one person in the recording had to know they were being recorded. so if it shows you and the cop in the recording than it would be totally legit. check your laws!


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: deformedreality]
    #10538328 - 06/19/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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deformedreality said:
I used to live in one of those states that had laws against video taping people without knowing.. their was a catch though. Only one person in the recording had to know they were being recorded. so if it shows you and the cop in the recording than it would be totally legit. check your laws!




its like that with phones here, one party has to be aware of the recording and doesn't matter if that person is the recorder or not...don't know about video though, seems kinda odd to go with it to, but at the same time, not too different, either way they are recorded in the end...

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10540305 - 06/19/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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anyone can record police activity while their on duty, they have no expectation of privacy while working




That is true in most states, but sometimes wiretapping laws apply.  People have been charged with felonies for videotaping police in some states.






Source?  Its hard to conceive of a law justly applicable to this conduct, what are you referring to?

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: johnm214]
    #10546320 - 06/21/09 07:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Another thing to keep in consideration is laws against videotaping in places like beaches, swimming pools, and schools. Here in Australia it can be illegal to film around children, places where people wear swim suits (go figure) and if they look into areas where people have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Plus the angle better not be able to look up skirts. That could be bad.

A good idea would be some type of switch to turn it either on or off. Otherwise in public everything is usually fair game, after all that's how alot of the media operate and these days cops use the same technique without express legal powers. Many companies have web cams that look out into the street as do thousands of cctv cameras. Most people believe its illegal to film them without permission but actually you can. Beware of people freaking out.

Otherwise, A camera in your pocket can be a more dangerous weapon then a knife.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: pook]
    #10552331 - 06/22/09 05:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Stonehenge : Quote function not working today.

>Many states have laws against videotaping someone without consent. However, it depends on the degree of privacy expected.<

Here’s the legal work around on that.

Under Prez. Reagan and the WAR on DRUGS, federal conspiracy laws were changed. 

Used to be- it took 3- 4 conspiracy. Then laws were changed to a conspiracy of one, so hard working narks could get tapes all by their lonesome. Not easy to get two narks at the same table with some bad guy to constitute a conspiracy worth recording.

The laws were changed to allow one individual to tape IF a crime were being committed OR the individual BELIEVED one was about to be committed.

If a cowboy cop beats the crap out of you a crime has been committed. A federal one at that. Civil Rights don’t cha know? No contest.

If the cop doesn’t all you’ve done is violate his rights to privacy, and who‘s to know.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: JaComet]
    #10555476 - 06/22/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Stonehenge : Quote function not working today.

>Many states have laws against videotaping someone without consent. However, it depends on the degree of privacy expected.<

Here?s the legal work around on that.

Under Prez. Reagan and the WAR on DRUGS, federal conspiracy laws were changed. 

Used to be- it took 3- 4 conspiracy. Then laws were changed to a conspiracy of one, so hard working narks could get tapes all by their lonesome. Not easy to get two narks at the same table with some bad guy to constitute a conspiracy worth recording.

The laws were changed to allow one individual to tape IF a crime were being committed OR the individual BELIEVED one was about to be committed.

If a cowboy cop beats the crap out of you a crime has been committed. A federal one at that. Civil Rights don?t cha know? No contest.

If the cop doesn?t all you?ve done is violate his rights to privacy, and who?s to know.

[edit for sp]




Exactly.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #10555600 - 06/22/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it takes at least two to make a conspiracy. I'd bet on it. But, one could be a ci or cop and the other be the person set up. So it depends on how you look at it.

Cameras everywhere make cops nervous which is a good thing. They know that no matter how good a lie they tell, the photos will be believed over their stories.


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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10556287 - 06/22/09 09:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

psycho4ctive,

I think that's a brilliant move to have an audio/video recorder inside you vehicle! I personally bought a digital cam corder (solid state memory) for this purpose. I figured that if someone rolls up the driveway I'd be MUCH better off with that camera in my hand whether it's in their face or just in my hand. I take it with me whenever I drive.

I've been pulled over for before for ridiculous reasons in the past. Cops just want to stick their snout in your car, look around, etc... When asked why they pulled me over they shit like, "you were driving suspiciously". WTF is that?

I’m not sure if all cops record their actions, but many do and they don’t tell you that they are recording. Nothing wrong with you doing the same! Put the spotlight on their ass and at the proper moment let them know that they are being recorded … watch their attitude change real quick.

Anyways ... smart move.

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Re: Installing a hidden web cam in my car [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10557688 - 06/23/09 04:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
I'm pretty sure it takes at least two to make a conspiracy. I'd bet on it. But, one could be a ci or cop and the other be the person set up. So it depends on how you look at it.




The way it plays out in practicality is - I can conspire to violate your rights. From hiding cameras in the bathroom to going off my Prozac nut and shooting you and 17 others at the mall. Each act is a wrong.

I can be sued for taping you go potty. The Narc who audio tapes me talking about selling the tapes is also sue able (just doesn't happen). The other guy at the mall will be sued by the survivor and victims family.

Anyway, I don't take Prozac.

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