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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Lennyk]
    #10627654 - 07/05/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Doctor_Dick]
    #10628312 - 07/06/09 02:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Lennyk]
    #10629726 - 07/06/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I eat over a pound of meat easily in one day, and a ton of cheese!






And your health is probably fucked! Eating any sort of fat including plant fat is harmful, it thickens the blood and creates an acidic condition in your body.

This guy explains it pretty good, this is part 1 the rest are on youtube



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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10630585 - 07/06/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10630769 - 07/06/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #10637067 - 07/07/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah well you can pretty much correlate something with everything but that's a far cry from proving anything.  I'm sure a meat-only diet isn't ideal.  I'm also sure a plant-only diet isn't ideal.  I'm not a nutritionist and I don't know what magical ratio the human body needs to optimize but the point of the matter is that balancing your diet and eating from the gamut of available sources of nutrition will predispose you to a healthy state.

I don't eat a lot of meat, maybe 2-3 times a week.  I'm not paranoid about sugars and fats and carbs I just try to not eat too much of any one thing.  EVERYTHING is unhealthy if consumed in excess.  See how far you get just eating salad, or potatoes, or tofu, or sausage.  You will get fucking sick.

I would venture to say that the reasons we get sick in our society range far beyond any one cause (animal products/environmental chemicals/stress/blah blah blah), but if I had to pick the most important one it would be that our omnivorous society has such a LONG life span that there is much more opportunity to live with any number of illnesses throughout our lives than before.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Hypercube]
    #10637171 - 07/07/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=43747
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Vegetarians May Have Lower Cancer Risk

Researchers from the United Kingdom have reported that vegetarians in that country and those who eat fish but not meat appear to have a lower risk of several types of cancer compared with meat eaters. The results of this study were published in the June 30, 2009 issue of the British Journal of Cancer.

Studies have suggested that consumption of red or processed meat may increase the risk of several types of cancer, including cancers of the colon and rectum, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, lung, endometrium (uterus), and prostate.

To explore whether vegetarians (people who do not eat fish or meat) have a lower risk of cancer than meat eaters, researchers evaluated information from more than 61,000 British men and women; 32,403 were meat eaters, 8,562 ate fish but not meat, and 20,601 were vegetarians.

Study participants have been followed for an average of 12 years. During this time, a total of 3,350 new cancers were diagnosed.

When assessing the risk of cancer in the three dietary groups (meat eaters, fish eaters, and vegetarians), the researchers accounted for several underlying differences among the groups, including age, smoking status, alcohol use, body mass index, and physical activity.

The cancers that clearly differed in frequency among the groups were stomach cancer, ovarian cancer, bladder cancer, and hematologic cancers (non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, multiple myeloma, and leukemia).

    * Compared with meat eaters, vegetarians had a 64% reduced risk of stomach cancer, a 53% reduced risk of bladder cancer, and a 45% reduced risk of hematologic cancers. Vegetarians did, however, have an increased risk of cervical cancer (risk was roughly twice as high as in meat eaters).
    * Fish eaters had a 63% reduced risk of ovarian cancer and a 43% reduced risk of prostate cancer.
    * The risk of all cancers combined was 18% lower in fish eaters and 12% lower in vegetarians.

Comments: These results confirm other studies showing that a high meat died is associated with an increased incidence of several cancers. 

Reference: Key TJ, Appleby PN, Spencer EA et al. Cancer incidence in British vegetarians. British Journal of Cancer. 2009;101:192-197.




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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Hypercube]
    #10640745 - 07/08/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm also sure a plant-only diet isn't ideal.




And you would be 100% wrong and the magical ratio is 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fats :smile:


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10642107 - 07/08/09 02:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Your thoughts and attitudes are ignorant and not really worth replying to but I'm going to do it anyway.

Above I have documented eight studies that show various health problems caused by poor diet.  Your response to that effort is "you can correlate anything to anything" which is absurd.

However, you are correct in saying that a single correlation does not equal proof.  Rest assured, there are THOUSANDS of studies that either a) show a positive benefit to eating a plant-based, whole food diet or b) show a negative effect of an animal based diet.  That is right, thousands. 

Feel free to check the research for yourself.  If 8 studies are not enough to show you the flaw of your belief system, there are many many more available.

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I would venture to say that the reasons we get sick in our society range far beyond any one cause (animal products/environmental chemicals/stress/blah blah blah), but if I had to pick the most important one it would be that our omnivorous society has such a LONG life span that there is much more opportunity to live with any number of illnesses throughout our lives than before.




Most of the studies that I have read compare people of the same age.  It is not a longer life span that accounts for diseases of affluence.  It is much more likely a result of diet.

Not all of these studies are mere correlations.  A lot of them involve actual experiments with control and variable groups and have been going on for decades. 

The flippant attitude and lazy thinking made evident in the first paragraph of your last post make it clear that you did not click one single link I listed and probably did not read more than one sentence from the entire group of 8 studies I have posted as evidence to the claims I have made.  If you have any interest in educating yourself about diet, I advise that you watch the video series posted so graciously by Andre Nickatina and then you might want to check out "The China Study" by T Colin Campbell.

If you are interested in arguing your point further, I advise you to come up with at least one study corroborative to your ignorant certainties.  In fact I challenge you to find a single study that shows improved health benefits from an omnivorous diet over a vegan one.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Lennyk]
    #10642181 - 07/08/09 02:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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To at least add a point of relevancy, soy is not a health food, vegetarianism doesn't offer benefits over meat eating (and if eating soy instead of real meat it is worse) and if you want to be vegetarian because of whatever 'morals' one may have, I don't care, just don't claim it is the cure to disease with your magical soy products.




You make some uncorroborated claims there. 

1.  Vegetarianism offers no benefits over meat eating.

You make this claim after 8 studies were posted showing evidence to the contrary and offer no references of your own.

2.  ...don't claim (vegetarianism)...is the cure to disease with your magical soy products.

Nobody has made any such claim.  Soy is a nutrient-rich food, period.  Nobody has claimed it cures anything.  On the contrary, the claim being made is that meat and meat byproducts are the principle cause of most western diseases and that eliminating these factors from one's diet drastically reduces the risk for those diseases. 

That is, not eating meat is healthier than eating meat.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10643082 - 07/08/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

> Eating any sort of fat including plant fat is harmful

Incorrect.  Both polyunsaturated and monounsaturated are essential to good health.  They provide essential fatty acids.  They help digest and transport fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) throughout the body.  They are good for your heart, metabolism and immune system.  They are used by the body for structural, hormonal and electrical functions.  The list goes on.  Avoiding all fat intake is a good way to end up malnourished.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10643273 - 07/08/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't seen any physically fit vegans....

I like to play with kettlebells, do pistols, chinups, one-handed pushups et cetera...

Do you know of any physically fit vegans?

The ones I've seen are frighteningly skinny.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10643989 - 07/08/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Seuss]
    #10644208 - 07/08/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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> Eating any sort of fat including plant fat is harmful

Incorrect.  Both polyunsaturated and monounsaturated are essential to good health.  They provide essential fatty acids.  They help digest and transport fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) throughout the body.  They are good for your heart, metabolism and immune system.  They are used by the body for structural, hormonal and electrical functions.  The list goes on.  Avoiding all fat intake is a good way to end up malnourished.




If you read my post under that you would see the magical ratio is 80% carb 10% fats 10% protien. My statement above should be "eating any sort of cooked animal fat is unhealthy and over eating any type of fat(including plant) is unhealthy". You need fats but not alot, half of an avocado alone will give you the required fat intake for a day to live optimally


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10644227 - 07/08/09 09:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I haven't seen any physically fit vegans....

I like to play with kettlebells, do pistols, chinups, one-handed pushups et cetera...

Do you know of any physically fit vegans?

The ones I've seen are frighteningly skinny.




the ones you see where? google vegan athlete and you'll get tons and tons of results. Its been proven that athletes run best on high carb diets, you cant get any higher then a diet of mainly sweet fruit


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10654067 - 07/10/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I heard there is a specific B vitamin missing in a vegan diet.  Is there any food that takes care of that?  Quinoa perhaps?

Also, would eating too much fruit cause blood sugar and therefore insulin to go haywire?

I do have to say that Alicia Silverstone is fucking smoking!


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10655820 - 07/11/09 12:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There are plenty of vegan foods high in B vitamins..
off the top of my head.. bananas, lentils, sweet potatoes, avocado.. lots of nuts..


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10656679 - 07/11/09 06:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I heard there is a specific B vitamin missing in a vegan diet.  Is there any food that takes care of that?  Quinoa perhaps?

Also, would eating too much fruit cause blood sugar and therefore insulin to go haywire?





Your thinking of b12, it used to be believed you had to supplement this if your vegan but thats bullshit. http://www.roylretreat.com/articles/b12.html. ;

I eat around 13-15 pounds of fruit a day, 10 pounds of watermelon, 3 pounds of apples and 2 pounds of whatever else i want (usually oranges). I've never felt better in my life, mentally and physically.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10656717 - 07/11/09 07:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It is possible for vegans to have a diminished level of vitamin B12.  This is because of soil in the US made lifeless through the use of pesticides.  Vitamin B12 is produced by a group of bacterium living in the intestines of animals that is actually best found through the consumption of shellfish and animal liver. 

In nature, B12 producing bacterium live in soil and on plants but because of the rampant use of pesticides and the heavy washing done to produce, plants are no longer a reliable source for the vitamin.

However, our bodies have a 2-3 year reserve of vitamin B12.  After two or so years of not eating meat it is strongly recommended that you get your blood tested for vitamin B12 deficiency.  If you are found to be deficient, you should take a supplement daily.


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Re: Go Vegan [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10656768 - 07/11/09 07:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That link doesn't work.


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