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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: krypto2000]
    #10481164 - 06/10/09 05:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah I used to love it, then I stopped being such a druggie :lol:

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Quaternion]
    #10481178 - 06/10/09 05:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure there's still tons and tons of uninformed police forces that would just be stumped if they caught you with dmt or a RC.

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Grav]
    #10481220 - 06/10/09 06:22 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Grav said:
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Entropymancer said:
Personally I've found the quality of information on erowid to be absolutely terrible. 

I look back at my early highschool days when I considered them to be a quality resource, and I :facepalm:

It's nice as a repository of trip reports, but you've got to have your bullshit detector on full-bore if you want to get info from their vaults without ending up misinformed.




whats so terrible about it?

honestly i havent really been there since my highschool days either, (about 8 or 9 years ago)  but I remember always seeing many statements of caution about drug use in general.





Yeah, I'm curious as how the information on Erowid is so terrible.  There's nothing else really like it on the net.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Society]
    #10481321 - 06/10/09 07:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

as long as you take everything from it with a grain of salt, its pretty damn good.  trip reports are ok, and the facts and dosages are alright, but again, unless there is some source cited, the articles are a "reader beware" situation.

all in all though, I think its good at providing introductory information.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Anhoktohen]
    #10481336 - 06/10/09 07:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Erowid's main source of information is the pharmacologists, chemists, etc. who run the place combined with the aggregate of information from users and supporters, isn't it?

On the dosage pages, it has a disclaimer saying that it was about the rough average of doses as reported to Erowid by its users or something like that.

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Synesthetic]
    #10481380 - 06/10/09 07:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

thats a very good question


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: thedudenj]
    #10481563 - 06/10/09 09:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

People deserve to know the truth, whether its good or bad. And by people i mean cops and politicians too.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: tak]
    #10481667 - 06/10/09 09:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The information pertaining to scheduling tends towards 100% accuracy. Not that the info is that hard to obtain but it is nice to have it all aggregated. That info is pertinent when swimming the RC/Legal high ocean.

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Shroomism]
    #10481672 - 06/10/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Information is good.
Drug laws are bad.



I will also add that "trip reports" are a SHITTY IDEA :poop:


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: doom876]
    #10481816 - 06/10/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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doom876 said:
Quote:

Shroomism said:
Information is good.
Drug laws are bad.



I will also add that "trip reports" are a SHITTY IDEA :poop:




How so?

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Shroomism]
    #10481909 - 06/10/09 10:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
shroomery.org
google.com
erowid.org

what more does anyone need?



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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: krypto2000]
    #10482100 - 06/10/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Quote:

doom876 said:
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Shroomism said:
Information is good.
Drug laws are bad.



I will also add that "trip reports" are a SHITTY IDEA :poop:




How so?




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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10482101 - 06/10/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Personally I've found the quality of information on erowid to be absolutely terrible. 

I look back at my early highschool days when I considered them to be a quality resource, and I :facepalm:

It's nice as a repository of trip reports, but you've got to have your bullshit detector on full-bore if you want to get info from their vaults without ending up misinformed.





Oral 5-MeO-AMT Dosages
Threshold .5-1.0 mg
Light 1 - 3 mg
Common 2 - 6 mg
Strong 4 - 10 mg
Heavy 6 - 15 mg

a one ever taken a heavy dose of this? i couldent imagine 15mg...


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
    #10482528 - 06/10/09 01:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yea unfortunately my friend used to sell those on blotters as acid against my advising, I dosed it before and had insane visuals and a terrible mind fuck, not to mention the aweful body load.

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Quaternion]
    #10482593 - 06/10/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

how big was the blotter 2-3mg? imagine 5 of them... there are people that could order that from a online vendor take 15mg thinking hes going to tripp balls and end up going crazy as fuck and killing people and giveing drugs a bad name...
here is more dosing info from erowid

Oral P. cubensis Dosages
Threshold .25 g 1/100 oz
Light .25 - 1 g 1/100 - 1/28oz
Common 1 - 2.5 g 1/28 - 1/10oz
Strong 2.5 - 5 g 1/10 - 1/6oz
Heavy 5 + g 1/4oz +

Oral LSD Dosages
Threshold 20 ug
Light 25 - 75 ug
Common 50 - 150 ug
Strong 150 - 400 ug
Heavy 400 + ug
LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 12,000 ug

Oral 5-MeO-AMT Dosages
Threshold .5-1.0 mg
Light 1 - 3 mg
Common 2 - 6 mg
Strong 4 - 10 mg
Heavy 6 - 15 mg

fuck to me 3mg 5meoamt is fuckng strong everyones body chem is diff though. but if you are an avid mushroom or lsd user and you usually dose on the "heavy" side, as erowid puts it. so you dose a heavy dose of amt = not a good idea.  i think i read about people going crazy at clubs in the EU on 5meoamt on 10mg, killing people and shit. ripping throats out with theyre mouth... i dont remember where i read that it could have been propaganda bullshit. i dont really believe much i read online. my thoughts are straying its hard for me to make sence of my own post ill just stop now.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
    #10482604 - 06/10/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I've laid blotters before and I know you can fit 4mg on a slightly thicker than normal blotter, thats enough of it to give anybody a ++++

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
    #10482664 - 06/10/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I would def classify 7g of mushies as heavy. Ive had my ass kicked quite badly before

Erowid is the shit. Its the most consistent and reliable source on the interwebs. I agree it sometimes lacks in depth information but its always a great place to start when experimenting with new substances

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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: krypto2000]
    #10482797 - 06/10/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I suppose I'm arguing semantics, but don't blame erowid, blame the pigs and politicians, completely. That's like saying metal does harm cause people shape it into bullets that kill others.




This hits the nail on the head, in my opinion.

Also, I think the trip reports are one of the most valuable components of Erowid.  No summary of a drug's general effects can take into account the huge range of individual reactions, especially considering psychedelics.  Reading a few well-written trip reports gives you a much better picture of the spectrum of possibilities with each drug.  You get the good, the bad, and everything in between, from real people in real situations.

I :heart: Erowid.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: envisionary333]
    #10483471 - 06/10/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If it wasn't for Erowid, I would have died without knowing the proper method of injecting nutmeg.


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Re: Do you think erowid does more harm than good? [Re: Quaternion]
    #10483503 - 06/10/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If they didn't have erowid, they'd just make shit up like they used to.

Case in point: Reefer Madness.

BTW, I love erowid, there's some very good botanical photography. A lot of people know I am very supportive of plant, fungi and animal based drugs, as there's beauty as well as function (a flowering cacti).

Some lab with boiling flasks isin't as romantic imo.


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