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TOOL Interpretations
#1046944 - 11/12/02 03:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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from the TOOL newsletter:
(LMAO)
CONTROVERSY OVER LATERALUS NOMINATION FOR TEC AWARD
It seems that even the recent nomination of Tool's 'Lateralus' for a TEC (Technical Excellence & Creativity) award has not gone without its little share of controversy. According to my source (an insider at 'Mix' Magazine which will present the 18th annual award for excellence in audio this October), there was initially some hesitation by at least one member of the 'foundation' for what he described as a subliminal message involving "the vilest kind of ceremony that was ingeniously encoded on the CD." Supposedly this barely audible message, which was detected by certain methods known to recording engineers, refers to a type of ritual cannibalism that some of the band's more occult-oriented fans believe to be the underlying theme of Lateralus. (NOTE: These same people also believe that the most carefully-guarded secret of this rite, including the correct method of dissection, is openly displayed for those with eyes to see in the Alex Grey artwork for the CD. Similarly, they point to certain tee-shirt designs put out by the band; those with incriminating names like, 'Bone-Layer', 'Skinless', and 'Nerve Endings' as further proof of this macabre banquet.) The bone of contention was that the concealed message went far beyond the average "Hail to Satan" backward-masking on photograph records that caused a minor hysteria (and subsequent witch-hunt involving lawsuits) decades ago and was believed (by Xtian fundamentalists who propagated the rumors) to be responsible for everything from teen suicides to tearing the tags off of new mattresses. Even so, as is usually the case in the entertainment industry, many of those bands targeted as part of the satanic plot exploited the negative publicity for their own personal gain (such as Led Zepplin with their song 'Stairway to Heaven').
Although rumors of subliminal messages on Lateralus have been afloat on the Net for some time, the basis for such a dreadful thing came from an article that I wrote on Tool's 'Dissectional' site over a year ago about a rite involving magical cannibalism. Ever since then the 'buzz' has been circulating among the Tool faithful and will probably continue to do so, especially with the recent publication of an interview in 'Dagobert's Revenge' magazine (www.dagobertsrevenge.com) in which Danny Carey is quoted as saying " If people want to know something about the album title they should contemplate possible correlation's between the thalamus (Gr. for chamber) and the femur."
Despite this cryptic allusion to some kind of major arcanum, I can state with absolute certainty that there are no such intentional subliminal messages (with regards to magical cannibalism) on Lateralus. However, in light of the recent controversy, I can, perhaps, give you the skinny (pun intended) on the occult ceremony as I understand it to be.
Far from a gory 'Night of the Living Dead' type of feast, the rite itself is of an alchemical nature * involving certain residues of hormonal cascades and/or mysterious substances similar in composition to the Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements (ORMEs) proposed several years ago by David Hudson. The first involves 'The Prismatic or Golden Tear of the Eye of Horus' (i.e. special secretions from the pineal-pituitary hypothalamic complex as illustrated by Tool's 'burning eye' design), with the latter having to do with noble metals (alchemically altered) that have mined themselves into the skull and bone structure of certain individuals. With this in mind, consider the legendary mines of King Solomon. As you can see, both their secret location, and their rich deposits now take on a whole new meaning.
* This will be one of the subjects dealt with in a book that I am about to publish in a very limited run - that is if my proof-reader will get off of her exquisite (nay, manniferous) ass and send me back the corrected sheets. Three weeks and all I've been told is that I repeatedly spelled the word 'lavender' wrong. As it turned out, she was mistaken - I had spelled it correctly. Now I don't want you to think that this girl's best qualifications are those that fit well into a pair of jeans. The girl is smart enough, although on occasions, mainly little squabbles on the phone, she as the tendency to bring checkers to a chess match.
Symbolism of a deeply-esoteric nature has often been misunderstood by the uninitiated. For example, when Aleister Crowley claimed in 'Magick in Theory and Practice' that he sacrificed over two-thousand children of perfect innocence (150 a year between 1912-1928), many of his Victorian detractors took it quite literally. How these Brits could have any faith in Scotland Yard after 2,400 children were sacrificed by a single individual without an arrest or even a slap on the wrist is something I'll never understand! Obviously these people were totally ignorant of the Great Beast's erotomagical explorations. What is even more incredible is that even today there are numerous postings on the Internet by people who still think the purple priest actually sacrificed thousands of children, and that there are others out there who are now following in his footsteps. If you don't believe me, check out 'The Search for Sarah' for just one example of this almost unbelievable stupidity.
But rather than take my word for it, let's find out how many of you out there have put down the headphones after listening to the disc and suddenly found yourself with the urge to go desecrate Merovingian catacombs? Hmmm, about two of you. That's what I thought. First of all, if the underlying theme of Lateralus did involve such an esoteric rite, any hidden nuances* would be far more cryptic than some occult mutterings perceptible at a subliminal level. Why? Simply put, because there's not enough preserved bodies on the earth of this particular genetic strain to go around . These mummified remains of 'Le Serpent Rouge' are, and always have been, reserved for an elite priesthood.
* There is, however, a barely audible message on Tool's cover of Led Zepplin's 'No Quarter.'
So, now that we've dispelled the rumors of secret messages designed to sink into the subconscious minds of its listeners, I would like to congratulate those for whom it is a very prestigious honor just to be nominated for a TEC. Especially my friend David Bottrill. This almost makes up for all those fancy Spago lunches and expensive red wines he had delivered to the studio on the band's dime. Also, I just wanted to say to David that I guess that the gong wasn't too loud after all. I have a fond memory of sitting at the mixing console while David was working on a particular track for Lateralus. After an eternity of playbacks, Danny looked up at his beleaguered producer and said "the gong definitely needs to be louder." Noticing the annoyed look on David's face, I asked if a gong could ever be too loud? "Every gong since 1973 has been too loud" he mumbled as he pushed the faders up a notch. I just hope he doesn't lose the award because Danny wanted to out bash Carl Palmer. When the winner is announced we'll post it on the site, unless, of course, a CD other than Lateralus takes the honors.
NEW TOOL CD IN JEOPARDY
Members of the band are seriously debating whether or not to record any new material in the future due to recent revelations concerning the close approach of a mysterious celestial object. The invader, which some maverick astronomers believe to be a brown dwarf (failed sun) and others the tenth planet of our solar system (ALA Sitchin's planet X which the ancient Sumerians called Nibiru), could be responsible for perturbations in the orbits of Uranus, Neptune as well as tipped over Pluto (and also puzzles regarding their moons, rings, etc.). It's existence and close approach to earth in 2003 e.a., if a reality, would have profound gravitational effects resulting in, among other things, a magnetic pole shift and/or possible earth-crust displacement. All this spells the prophesied "End Times" (and all just because someone was praying for a tidal wave). Although the band members all have underground shelters with adequate provisions to survive such a catastrophic event (for the richest bands of 2002 see 'Rolling Stone' magazine), without an audience to perform for there would be no motivation to record any new material. (NOTE: Please understand that I'm not saying Nibiru is coming. It is a bit suspicious, however, that observatories in many states are suddenly closed for "remodeling.")
Edited by soundmind (11/12/02 04:05 PM)
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1046961 - 11/12/02 03:58 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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People are retarded. Tool has some really stupid fans...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1046994 - 11/12/02 04:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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>>>The rite itself is of an alchemical nature involving certain residues of hormonal cascades and/or mysterious substances similar in composition to the Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements (ORMEs) proposed several years ago by David Hudson. The first involves 'The Prismatic or Golden Tear of the Eye of Horus' (i.e. special secretions from the pineal-pituitary hypothalamic complex as illustrated by Tool's 'burning eye' design), with the latter having to do with noble metals (alchemically altered) that have mined themselves into the skull and bone structure of certain individuals. <<<
Interesting...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1047003 - 11/12/02 04:09 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got to see them play Third Eye live.. Im alright with being killed by crust displacement now.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Grav]
#1047123 - 11/12/02 04:42 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol
oh: and immaculate, i know EXACTLY what you mean... man there were the stupidest people at the show in berlin in may... even made me want to get out of the pit... how the fuck can they listen to tool and be so retarded? they didnt even understand a word of what maynard was saying...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1047479 - 11/12/02 06:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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they got beer and hot bitches to look at, dont think they ever learned to care about much else its okay ill kick their ass in a pit anyday heheh, Tool and Meshuggah give me superhuman strength
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Grav]
#1047990 - 11/12/02 09:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm not into killing/sacraficing/eating or hurting any human beings. Even if I heard proposed to me that I should through a CD. Anyone who does is an idiot.
LONG LIVE TOOL!
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1048145 - 11/12/02 11:28 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, since I started listening to tool, I have had disturbing urges that can only be associated with the worship of satan, and have brutally killed several people, and drank they're blood, in order to open my third eye, and see the invisible shadow demons that tell tool what hidden msg's to put in the'yre songs. I have uncontrolable violent thoughts, and act them out accordingly. I see nothing but blood and murder in my dreams. Tool has opened my third eye We will all join the shadow one day. Tools msg will be understood, and satan will come and rule the world. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......EVIL THOUGHTS
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1048374 - 11/13/02 01:07 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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the only true Evil is Misrepresentation~Misinterpretation.
has anyone Here joined "The Collective Unconcious" (TOOL Army)
they charge $$$ to join the BB. (?)
what IS their~our purpose?
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1048404 - 11/13/02 01:23 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya blablabla i followed tool up and down the east coast,.. and they fucking suck live,... except for their video screens heh but i fucking get the whole tool thing purdy well.... its just fucking art rock with a new face.. but hey.. heh maynrds lyrics are ok but its just same formula and mediocre guitar.. drummers pretty good he holds the whole band together .. but hey .. u know what they saw about opinions....
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Now that i think of it, i got some funny tool stories...i was playing drums outside & this chick was like heres a pass.. I thought it was real heh (not really)heh I gotbackstage in greenville, SC with a fake all access pass from ebay.. ).. and then i got caught:( but it was fun while it lasted! heh
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Tool simply does not suck. They are brilliant, and only someone who cant understand them, or music for that matter would say such a think, no flame intended at all. Same formula and mediocre guitar. Thats a joke!! Do you play guitar at all?? Try and learn some tool guitar, and you will change your mind. Drummers is pretty good!!?? Pretty good!!???? Are you a drummer?? Tools drummer is one of the best drummers in the entire world. You must not understand drums at all. Learn some fuckin 46 and 2 on the drums, and then go learn a vast majority of some of the best drumming you can think of, and then you can start to judje some tool, but until you can play and understand they're music, you should not judje them, for you do not have the right.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1048476 - 11/13/02 01:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, you are a drummer!! Cool, I missed that part:) How long have you played??
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1048526 - 11/13/02 02:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya mi drums is mi life... ha um ya i play tribal / traditional / ethnic instuments heh.. kind of a way to kill time .. i just got my congas so now i dont have to borrow em ..hehmy friends alll play guitar,.. and ya i can play .. can i fucking rip? no.. can the guitarists from tool play better than me? oh ya 4 sure.. but i still hav ebeen around music long enough to tel what is more difficult to play and whats not... If i remember right,.. one of the first posts i ever made on shroomery was a nirvana- related thing and i said i cant really get into it cuz its soooo simple. I realized that i guess im not as open minded as i once thought .. but id rather be like this than not know anything about music I think that those blessed to play an instument all have something toi share... so what if we get a little competitive...?heh lol im not sure if that made anysense.. idont care heh
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hmm.. the drummer from tool the best in the world.. or even one of the best .. i must disagree.. 1st.. i like his style,..i can see that he lovess toms and he can rip up some cool shit and then hitt snare triplets..BUT at a show its alll the same songs and no chance for improvisation, so who really knows what he can just come up with off of the yop of his head? and to me heh (opinon) i think that music is its most pure, its most special at the moment that it is concieved in our mind.. its instant and beutiful and it just hits u like fucking POW heh and you just get lost... btw my fav. tool tune?.. hooker with a penis
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i like your opinions on music, but still can't understand how you dont think Tool is a great (if not amazing) live experience..
True, they are forced to play the same songs over and over again, thats their record deal, but they improvise and fuck around with shit wherever they can. if you listen carefully you notice tons of variations in all their songs. I don't know if Adam and Danny ever play a song the same twice, and Maynard is always trying new things with his voice. They subtley let their songs evolve from the CD recordings.
I would love it if Tool just went off on improv jams for half the night, but thats not how they work. There songs are fuckin beautiful... They are like places. Pieces of art being thrown into the air, and always growing and revealing new angles. IMO Musical purity isn't about improvisation... It's something invsible to the rational mind, that you can just feel, and of the 4 times ive seen Tool they have breathed this energy behind all their repeated riffs and measures.
I dunno, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You sound like someone who maybe is geared more towards talent than whatever the fuck it is im talking about heheh.
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i agree that improvisation is a very powerful experience... feel the creativity just flow through you, and the energy building up between the people making the music right there, right then... but improvisation is something for the female side of the brain... and i have to say, imo, tool works mostly with the male part of the brain... very analitycal, very concrete... like grav said, every tool song is a landscape, a different place and a different feeling... its like a symphony... and you cant just take beethoven's 9th and then start telling the orquestra to improvise some stuff on it, can you? and although tools work es very mathematical, the feeling behind it just cannot be missed... the energy every song sends out to you, and the places where it makes you go, is just unbelievable... tool is one of the greatest bands, imho... and im a drummer, too... and well, for me danny carey is the best drummer on this planet... although i know there are faster, and more talented drummers (take mike portnoy, for instance), none of them has been able (in my eyes) to put through the energy danny carey gives me... i think that a drummer is good when you walk into a place and hear someone playing (just drums) and you can tell from their style who it is... danny is one of the few drummers i can think of that could be regognized that way...
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Tool makes my body move, nothing else i've ever heard in my life does that, me being exposed to music cerebrally for most of my life. The first time i listened to Lateralus (on shrooms) i just stood there and rocked back and forth with my headphones on for 5 or 6 solid hours non stop....
Improvisation and technical prowess are definitely musical elements not to be despised, if i want to hear some serious shredding i'll listen to Yngwie Malmsteen or John Mclaughlin.amo.....
Even without playing the drums, i could FEEL the drummer of Tool kicking some major league ass......i was pm'ing a coupla people here during the Experience ..... maybe i'll work up the nerve to post my live "real time review".......
That drummer(again, i have already disqualified myself on one level because i don't/can not play drums, i DO play a bit of guitar) hits HARD, total body shots but it FEELS so phreaking good! i used to listen to guys like Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Jack dejohnette etc so i "think" i have an OK ear for what constitutes a few of the element of being a technically proficient drummer........i like Neal Peart of rush in the "rock" world as well as Bill bruford........
As far as Adam goes, imo, he's more about texture and nuance that blindingly fast licks/chops...he fits.... and has a GR8 hand in the production of Tool's videos....
As far as Maynard goes, i think at his peak he comes up with some of the most inspirational lyrics around, admittedly i have no real frame of reference as i have litle/no contact with the "real" world........i don't idolatrize(huh? lol) the guy however and maybe in that light my opinion might actually mean something outside the spectre of my own warped dementure......
it isn't just the drummer(as much as he DOES kick the collective A$$ of that band imo), the way they inter connect, the bass and drums on Lateralus especially.....i love the FEEL/sound of the bass/drums tandem a lot more on Lateralus that i did on Anemia.......
Arena rock? you know, i CAN actualy see grounds for that statement, i don't really share that particular sentiment but i can at least appreciate it lol.....i mean in 6 months i may be saying the same thing and into an entirely different musical tangent...... sorry for my diffuse randumb mental abstractions.....
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why are you excusing yourself, freak? thanks for sharing your thoughts man! im glad you make your way into the s&p&s forum so often lately... i really appreciate the ideas and thoughts you share... and i like your view on things... i remember a post of yours asking how could someone be so sure/convinced about stuff like so many people in here... you were impressed by the determination of most of the s&p&s'ers... well i have to say that i am impressed by your open mind... which is one of the greatest journeys...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1050384 - 11/13/02 08:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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im glad you make your way into the s&p&s forum so often lately...
Thanks man, it just feels so RIGHT just now....lol, yeah i was kinda intimidated to even BE here let alone post due mainly to a lack of "formal" edumacation.......i really enjoy Mice-elf here though........no middle ground for me dude, it's either S & P or OTD! lol listening to Parabola cranked! on headphones right now so i guess in a way it was the NRG of the moment coursing though my veins/heart/brain that resulted in that spastic rambling montage of verbiage that WAS my last post
a Public acknowledgement of gratitude to everyone here........yes, EVERYONE for making my time here at the shroomery so damned fine....Freak loves all of you.....in a very heterosexual way
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1050419 - 11/13/02 08:23 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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LMAO!!! i just found a review/email i sent someone the evening of the day i discovered Lagteralus on shrroms! MQANN!!! i can FEEL the frenzy, me thinks it's almost time to trip again! mwha ha ha ha below is a word for word account trying to express the inexplicable exstacy of that particular moment
okay, the upper part is an email i sent someone in an obviously non cohate state of mind/......i could correct all the typos and hence preserve my integrity lol but i'm just gonna leave it as is.....
Below is a review of my experience listening to Lateralus on shrooms just B4 i left for Bucharest......normally i wouldn't post a "personal communique" between mice-elf and anyone but i seriously don't see where i could have betrayed a confidence much less publically associated anyone(with or without their permission) avec moi
I ended up listening to Lateralus by Tool for around 5 or 6 hours solid on headphones standing and swaying back and forth! MAN those guys ROCK!!!! they are the black sabbath/zeppelin of the 2'000's.....seriously! and it was funny cauz B4 i even put it on or knew what to expext, i realized that it was an anniversary to the night(last night) that i saw zeppelin live stoned on acid(red blotters) and weed........and i swear man, with my eyes closed.......rocking back and forth while standing up.....i thought i WAS seeing tool live only with my eyes closed!!! This CD DEMANDS to be cranked up LOUD!!! It REALLY starts around the 3:50 mark of the first song..........one heavy metal spud after another(no guitar solos either which i know will appeal to you)............you MUST check out that fucking cd man!!! must, must MUST!!!!i downloaded 2 other cd's by them in their entirity but i'm saving them...............Lateralus is a musical EPIPHANY not to be missed .....get on it NOW mofo
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BUT at a show its alll the same songs and no chance for improvisation
Ever heard TRIAD live? All of them improv that song (not really a song becauze no lyrics). They even have a guest drummer every time they play live!
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Murex]
#1050476 - 11/13/02 08:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ever heard TRIAD live? All of them improv that song (not really a song becauze no lyrics). They even have a guest drummer every time they play live!
Unfortunately not Murex, that is a beautiful song/composition(imo).......i mean i did have tickets for the erie Pa show, but due to reasons too complex to get into i could not attend.......:( but it's all good anyway
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Murex]
#1050527 - 11/13/02 08:51 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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not just triad live, but the drum solo that leads up to it...
for me that was the most amazing part of the show. three drummers, and the way they connected and performed together was far beyond anything i had ever heard before. tool gives a very tight live performance... i have never seen a more amazing display of skill in my lifetime.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Smack31]
#1051151 - 11/13/02 11:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Triad is (imo) a very underated track. I love it. It builds and builds until BAM! A wonderful creshendo (sp?) that is like an orgasm. I should listen to it tripping, I might blow a wad in my phants
I also just downloaded the Parabol/a video. Great video.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Murex]
#1051821 - 11/14/02 07:38 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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On a couple acid trips of mine, the highlight of the nights were listening to Lateralus over and over again. I would sit lotus style and put both the speakers right up to my ears and go right down inside the music. So completely immersed. Right from the beginning that CD sent me on a mystical journey inside myself and around the world.
I love how the first track "the Grudge", works to grab all that negative shit thats floating around and totally obliterate it, leaving you fresh and new like you've just been washed up on shore from violent ship-wreck. And it sets you in a perfect mood for the rest of the album. Man that song is intense.
Triad was one of my favorites since the first time i listened. You know its gonna be a musical masterpiece when they decide it doesn't need lyrics. I love the roto-tom addition to that song live, and doesn't Adam's wife come out on keyboards? Very powerful. Go Adam, last lick on the CD! (excluding voice of god)
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1052042 - 11/14/02 09:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Technical Excellence and Creativity?
pfff there's some ambient/chill-out music that definitely surpasses Tool's album in terms of technical excellence AND creativity...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
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That is produced entirely with machines though.
Tool is a band of musicians...there's limits to what they can do with their sound (this is still A LOT!! )
I'm listening to some of the music you speak of right now though...Venetian Snares!!
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Grav]
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oh god yes! they couldnt have picked a better track than "the grudge" to open lateralus... my favorite part is in the middle, when he goes "wear the grudge like a crown, desperate to control, unable to forgive... and SINKING - DEEPER" and then the song just blows you away... "defining ... confining ... and sinking - deeper ... ... controling ... defining ... it was SINKING - DEEPER" ... wow... they opened the show the first time i saw them with that song... i was in trance after it... and parabola just gave me the rest... and they finished with lateralus to make the evening perfect...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1052332 - 11/14/02 11:54 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like that machine noise at the very beginning of the song.
a friend of mine said that it sounds like an old robot suddenly coming to life again after years lying in dust, and is enthusiastically ready to continue the mission.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1052863 - 11/14/02 03:03 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh god yes! they couldnt have picked a better track than "the grudge" to open lateralus... my favorite part is in the middle, when he goes
That was MY experience, Lozt Soul.....i put my headphones on (while STILL seated) and as i had no preconcieved notions of Tool, or their music save but what i had read at the Shroomery RE Lateralus, i really didn't know what to expect. i will admit i felt EXTREMELY uncomfortable coming up on shrooms for the first 3 and a half minuttes of the grudge.......i had just downloaded it from a member here at the shroomery......
my main thought whilst "coming up" on shrooms was" i don't know if i can HANDLE 75 more minutes of THIS.......then the dam wall broke and heavens shone down right at*moment you mentioned........that was the FIRST block of resistance removd.....at that point i was lifted my the scruff of my neck into a standing, swaying position......which lasted several hours......any residual tension/resistance was alleviated with Maynard's primal yelp .....and then as if there was any defensive mechanism left over within the CONFINES of my egoistic consiousness, they were swiftly assuagesd and dispensed with with the vocalized exhortation to "let it go....let it go....." From there it was as easy and effortless as floating downstream totally at one with the music and hence the entire musical experience that IS Lateralus.....but i admit, for that first 3:50, til right up to the words you quoted....it was kinda tense..... i had no way of knowing i was in for one of the most profoundly intense musical experiences of my life......* sorry to be so abrupt here, but for WHATEVER reason the space bar is starting to act like a f......friggen pac man and eating the letters i've typed and i just don't feel like detracting from the spontaneity of this precious moment
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1052968 - 11/14/02 03:31 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tonight I heard lateralus for the first time. I thought I had heard it before. I was wrong. NOW I know what you guys are talking about!
*lost for words*
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Revelation]
#1053051 - 11/14/02 03:52 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tool is: Intuitive Understanding.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Revelation]
#1053085 - 11/14/02 03:59 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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TOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!! I'm soooooo pumped!!!! I am going to go play some 46 and 2 on the guitar. AAAHHHHH!!!!!! This post always gets me so pumped to play tool!!!!! HAHAHAHA, Ima go jam now:)
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Revelation]
#1053110 - 11/14/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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All great Art is...
Glad you enjoyed it Rev.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1053111 - 11/14/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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The live version of 3rd eye is AWESOME while tripping! Next time you trip, be sure to listen to it.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Murex]
#1053150 - 11/14/02 04:18 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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FreakQ - hit the insert key
anyone know if Tool is planning on another album?
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Grav]
#1053160 - 11/14/02 04:20 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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FreakQ - hit the insert key
Thanks Grav, i will do just that the next time i encounter this diffuculty
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Grav]
#1053179 - 11/14/02 04:28 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i read an interview with danny in which he said that they had PLENTY of stuff over that they didnt put into lateralus... after all it was 4 years of creativity without putting out a record... so it looks like there is going to be another record (i hope so) provided nibiru doesnt screw things up
and freaq... i know EXACTLY what you are talking about... the first time i listened to that record on shrooms was on my own in the middle of the forest on my mp3 player... i was sitting on a tree trunk like an elf in the woods... and that part just shot pure adrenaline right through my veins... all body hair just stood apart from my skin to witness the beauty of music... and i was in for a ride... as the record finished i walked out of the woods (voice of god was playing) and i arrived to this plain to witness the most beautiful sunset RIGHT before me... the warm summer sun hitting on my skin, the grass flowing in the wind everything just made me burst to tears... wow... the good old times
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1053242 - 11/14/02 04:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I havent heard the live version, but I like to listen to the normal one while trippin. It fucking amazing. I like eulogy on shrooms too. The biginning is great. It's a fun song to jam too. Ha, out in the forest on shrooms with an mp3 player: sounds like something I would do.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: dee_N_ae]
#1053495 - 11/14/02 06:26 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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so you're saying Tool doesn't use machines to make their music? People who use synthesizers aren't musicians? That claim didn't make much sense to me.
Any instrument is a machine. Synthesizers are simply the most versitile instruments ever created.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
#1053532 - 11/14/02 06:37 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I meant they use more live instruments than synthesizers and as long as they continue like that they're going to sound a certain way. And I certainly meant nothing like "people who use synthesizers aren't musicians"...I use solely my computer to make songs so I'm not about to accuse anyone of not being a musician.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: dee_N_ae]
#1053754 - 11/14/02 07:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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K i understand what you're saying.... but feel that technological excellence belongs to plenty of other artists above TooL
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=- although I must say - I don't even like rock or whatever it is that one would classify TooL as, but I really dug that album :-D
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
#1053978 - 11/14/02 08:58 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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technological excellence belongs to plenty of other artists above TooL
Could ya recommend me some?
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
#1054454 - 11/15/02 01:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol.
yeah, let me know too man..
as far as the D/B/G/S Hard Rock Bands, there is None Higher. and David Botrill is one of the best Engineers on this planet.
not many other artists come to mind when i think of technological excellence...
PHISH is going to redefine "excellence" with their 2003 tour..
One of the most fanstastically produced albums i have heard is Forest For The Trees. Carl Stephenson (Beck "Mellow Gold") is a gifted songwriter, producer and engineer.
Mickey Hart's (drummer, GD) album "SUPRALINGUA" is primal futuristic music for Shrooming.
Shpongle, Dead Can Dance, Shakti (John Mclaughlin + Zakir Hussein) also come two mind....
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1054727 - 11/15/02 03:33 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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... my favorite part is in the middle, when he goes "wear the grudge like a crown, desperate to control, unable to forgive... and SINKING - DEEPER" lol, thought i waz reading my own post there........there WAS one giveaway that it wasn't mine however...........i woulda said wow i "think" i even started a thread over at OTD RE the greatest minute in rock music history citing THAT as an example......i mean 4-get all this 4:20 BS.......let's insert 3:50......cauz that's where it all starts..........
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
#1054768 - 11/15/02 03:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's lots of ambient/chill-out stuff that is unbelievable well-produced and technilogically "excellent"
Juno Reactor's work... Makyo.. Shpongle of course (my two favorite albums of all-time.... made for drugs - the whole idea of those albums is to create and environment of sound around you and THEN send pieces of music THROUGH the environment..), let's see who else off the top of my head.... Entheogenic's album is definitely impressive... Shulman - Soundscapes and Modern Tales, Hallucinogen - The Lone Deranger...
Thos artists/albums are definitely more technically "excellent" than Tool.. and I say this as Objectively as possible.
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=- in order to really tell how "excellent" those albums are, its highly recommended you have them on CD and not from mp3s because they lose LOTS of sounds and general quality that you don't notice you're missing until you hear it on cd... crystal clear.
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Are you fucking with us? They are fuckin great live. The guitar isn't that complicated, most of it's pretty simple to play, but it sounds dope. Maynards a fantastic singer/frontman, and Danny Carry is one of the best rock drummers of all time. Not to mention that bad ass bass of Justin Chancelor (sp?). I've had a similar conversation with some of my friends who are also musicians. They are all technical and know all of their theory and shit. I don't. I'm going to learn it, but for right now I just play what sounds good. For instance my friend was saying that Kurt Cobain wasn't a good guitarist. I disagree. He may not be technical, and he may not bust out insane licks, but his songs sound good and that's really what music is about.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: TeRzMaStA]
#1054896 - 11/15/02 05:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are musicians who play to feel happy and musicians who don't.
I like how Adam barely ever overdubbs his guitar on the CDs.. if he is gonna do some sort of lead part then he leaves the rhythm to the bass.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
#1054991 - 11/15/02 06:43 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shpongle, Dead Can Dance, Shakti (John Mclaughlin + Zakir Hussein) also come two mind....
Hell yeah.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
#1055313 - 11/15/02 10:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tool, accually does not really use too much mechanical stuff for there music. A lot of that fucked up echoe shit you guys hear all the time is usually just the guitar player with the wammy pedal, and volume pedal. A lot of tool songs are drums, bass, guitar, lyrics. That is pretty much it. You wouldnt beleive some of the fucked up sounds he can get with his guitar. Like the into for third eye is all just a guitar. Its really cool, I can make a lot of those fucked up sounds and shit that they make just with a guitar, and my volume nob. I'm not saying you they dont use machines. I'm just saying they do it a lot less than most of you guys realize:)
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1055440 - 11/15/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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ROTFALMAO This is in spirituality and science?Ritual cannabalism? Orbitaly rearanged Noble Metals? Endocrine secretions in ritual acts?Ya''ll need to see who is being used then you'll know who the "Tool" really is.I bet they appreciate all of your contributions to their Niribu(sp?) shelters LOL! Oh well I gotta go ingest an endocrine secretion and wallow in pain and suffering now (not LOL) May God bless you with what you truly seek,WR PS Tool has some good music but that IS all it is music LOL
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
#1055487 - 11/15/02 11:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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you're missing my point altogether:
THAT GUITAR IS A MACHINE!!!!
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=- its just not as complex, versitile or "technically excellent" as a synthesizer
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: whiterasta]
#1055879 - 11/15/02 01:31 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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that is not ALL it is.
saying TOOL is just music, is like saying Psilocybe Mushrooms are just food.
i was LMAO when i read that stuff about kids thinking Lateralus was about cannibalism, but ORMUS is (future) Science and interpreting Art is a kind of Philosophy...
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
#1056042 - 11/15/02 02:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
THAT GUITAR IS A MACHINE!!!!
yes, and so is every part of our body... including our vocal chords
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1056059 - 11/15/02 02:19 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Strumpling, you are silly.
I made a track the other day by recording my farts and burps.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
#1056491 - 11/15/02 05:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know - that was my whole point... somebody said TooL doesn't use machines, and I found that to be impossible.
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
#1056692 - 11/15/02 07:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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*sigh* DCD!! FABULOUS imho
Want to hear true and PURE passion in a VOICE?? Just listen to Lisa Gerrard's vocals on Cantara!
Music to make you move??? Rakim will do it for me
Perfect freeform bellydance music.
Anytime music..of any form...makes you do more than just SIT THERE...when it moves you to feel, to think, to question or to get up and flow with it.....that's pure BLISS. Tool for me does all of those things....simultaneously! These guys are NO DOUBT 'connected' and for that alone I appreciate their work.BUT...what makes it MORE for me, is the 'knowing' that comes from listening to the layered and intense sounds...the lyrics...welll...for those of us who KNOW...no need to explain, right?? Tool's music is designed to influence the Divine Trinity...Body ,Mind,Spirit. AND they have succeeded ...if not on a mass level...at least with me That makes me happy.What more is there to say? Not EVERYONE is 'there'
Love and Light, ~K~
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