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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1053495 - 11/14/02 06:26 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

so you're saying Tool doesn't use machines to make their music? People who use synthesizers aren't musicians? That claim didn't make much sense to me.

Any instrument is a machine. Synthesizers are simply the most versitile instruments ever created.


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
    #1053532 - 11/14/02 06:37 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

No I meant they use more live instruments than synthesizers and as long as they continue like that they're going to sound a certain way.
And I certainly meant nothing like "people who use synthesizers aren't musicians"...I use solely my computer to make songs so I'm not about to accuse anyone of not being a musician.  :grin: 

Edited by dee_N_ae (11/14/02 06:38 PM)

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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1053754 - 11/14/02 07:56 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

K i understand what you're saying.... but feel that technological excellence belongs to plenty of other artists above TooL :smile:

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
although I must say - I don't even like rock or whatever it is that one would classify TooL as, but I really dug that album :-D 


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
    #1053978 - 11/14/02 08:58 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

technological excellence belongs to plenty of other artists above TooL

Could ya recommend me some? :wink: 


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
    #1054454 - 11/15/02 01:01 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

lol.

yeah, let me know too man..

as far as the D/B/G/S Hard Rock Bands, there is None Higher.
and David Botrill is one of the best Engineers on this planet.

not many other artists come to mind when i think of technological excellence...

PHISH is going to redefine "excellence" with their 2003 tour..

One of the most fanstastically produced albums i have heard is Forest For The Trees.
Carl Stephenson (Beck "Mellow Gold") is a gifted songwriter, producer and engineer.

Mickey Hart's (drummer, GD) album "SUPRALINGUA" is primal futuristic music for Shrooming.

Shpongle, Dead Can Dance, Shakti (John Mclaughlin + Zakir Hussein) also come two mind....



Edited by soundmind (11/15/02 01:49 AM)

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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
    #1054727 - 11/15/02 03:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

... my favorite part is in the middle, when he goes "wear the grudge like a crown, desperate to control, unable to forgive... and SINKING - DEEPER"  lol, thought i waz reading my own post there........there WAS one giveaway that it wasn't mine however...........i woulda said  wow  :grin: :smile: :wink: i "think" i even started a thread over at OTD RE the greatest minute in rock music history citing THAT as an example......i mean 4-get all this 4:20 BS.......let's insert 3:50......cauz that's where it all starts.......... :grin: 


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
    #1054768 - 11/15/02 03:56 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

There's lots of ambient/chill-out stuff that is unbelievable well-produced and technilogically "excellent"

Juno Reactor's work... Makyo.. Shpongle of course (my two favorite albums of all-time.... made for drugs - the whole idea of those albums is to create and environment of sound around you and THEN send pieces of music THROUGH the environment..), let's see who else off the top of my head.... Entheogenic's album is definitely impressive... Shulman - Soundscapes and Modern Tales, Hallucinogen - The Lone Deranger...

Thos artists/albums are definitely more technically "excellent" than Tool.. and I say this as Objectively as possible.

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
in order to really tell how "excellent" those albums are, its highly recommended you have them on CD and not from mp3s because they lose LOTS of sounds and general quality that you don't notice you're missing until you hear it on cd... crystal clear.


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: joeshitragpicker]
    #1054777 - 11/15/02 03:59 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Are you fucking with us? They are fuckin great live. The guitar isn't that complicated, most of it's pretty simple to play, but it sounds dope. Maynards a fantastic singer/frontman, and Danny Carry is one of the best rock drummers of all time. Not to mention that bad ass bass of Justin Chancelor (sp?). I've had a similar conversation with some of my friends who are also musicians. They are all technical and know all of their theory and shit. I don't. I'm going to learn it, but for right now I just play what sounds good. For instance my friend was saying that Kurt Cobain wasn't a good guitarist. I disagree. He may not be technical, and he may not bust out insane licks, but his songs sound good and that's really what music is about.


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #1054896 - 11/15/02 05:12 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

There are musicians who play to feel happy and musicians who don't.

I like how Adam barely ever overdubbs his guitar on the CDs.. if he is gonna do some sort of lead part then he leaves the rhythm to the bass.

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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Middleman]
    #1054991 - 11/15/02 06:43 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Shpongle, Dead Can Dance, Shakti (John Mclaughlin + Zakir Hussein) also come two mind....

Hell yeah. :smile: 


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
    #1055313 - 11/15/02 10:31 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Tool, accually does not really use too much mechanical stuff for there music. A lot of that fucked up echoe shit you guys hear all the time is usually just the guitar player with the wammy pedal, and volume pedal. A lot of tool songs are drums, bass, guitar, lyrics. That is pretty much it. You wouldnt beleive some of the fucked up sounds he can get with his guitar. Like the into for third eye is all just a guitar. Its really cool, I can make a lot of those fucked up sounds and shit that they make just with a guitar, and my volume nob. I'm not saying you they dont use machines. I'm just saying they do it a lot less than most of you guys realize:)


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
    #1055440 - 11/15/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

ROTFALMAO This is in spirituality and science?Ritual cannabalism? Orbitaly rearanged Noble Metals? Endocrine secretions in ritual acts?Ya''ll need to see who is being used then you'll know who the "Tool" really is.I bet they appreciate all of your contributions to their Niribu(sp?) shelters LOL! Oh well I gotta go ingest an endocrine secretion and wallow in pain and suffering now (not LOL) May God bless you with what you truly seek,WR :wink:
PS Tool has some good music but that IS all it is music LOL :grin:


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Glacius]
    #1055487 - 11/15/02 11:41 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

you're missing my point altogether:

THAT GUITAR IS A MACHINE!!!!

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
its just not as complex, versitile or "technically excellent" as a synthesizer


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: whiterasta]
    #1055879 - 11/15/02 01:31 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

that is not ALL it is.

saying TOOL is just music,
is like saying Psilocybe Mushrooms are just food.

i was LMAO when i read that stuff about kids thinking Lateralus was about cannibalism,
but ORMUS is (future) Science and interpreting Art is a kind of Philosophy...

Edited by soundmind (11/15/02 01:45 PM)

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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Strumpling]
    #1056042 - 11/15/02 02:13 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

THAT GUITAR IS A MACHINE!!!!


yes, and so is every part of our body... including our vocal chords  :grin:


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
    #1056059 - 11/15/02 02:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Strumpling, you are silly.

I made a track the other day by recording my farts and burps.


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: In(di)go]
    #1056491 - 11/15/02 05:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I know - that was my whole point... somebody said TooL doesn't use machines, and I found that to be impossible.


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Re: TOOL Interpretations [Re: Adamist]
    #1056692 - 11/15/02 07:13 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

*sigh*
DCD!! FABULOUS imho :smirk:

Want to hear true and PURE passion in a VOICE?? Just listen to Lisa Gerrard's vocals on Cantara!

Music to make you move??? Rakim will do it for me :smile:

Perfect freeform bellydance music. 

Anytime music..of any form...makes you do more than just SIT THERE...when it moves you to feel, to think, to question or to get up and flow with it.....that's pure BLISS. Tool for me does all of those things....simultaneously! These guys are NO DOUBT 'connected' and for that alone I appreciate their work.BUT...what makes it MORE for me, is the 'knowing' that comes from listening to the layered and intense sounds...the lyrics...welll...for those of us who KNOW...no need to explain, right?? :wink: Tool's music is designed to influence the Divine Trinity...Body ,Mind,Spirit. AND  they have succeeded ...if not on a mass level...at least with me :smile: That makes me happy.What more is there to say? Not EVERYONE is 'there'  :smirk:

Love and Light,
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