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spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q
    #10429231 - 05/31/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

if i was planning to spawn to bulk w/ cakes, would i need to wait the extra week for consolidation after %100 colonization was achieved?
(a completely white jar)

would it be better to spawn it right away? easier to break up etc..
or give it the extra week anyways?

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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: chronosync]
    #10429251 - 05/31/09 11:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I dont htink you have to wait, you want the mycelium still growing, rather than sitting digesting food prepearing for fruiting.

Id give it a few extra days to be sure then spawn. its what i plan to do with my cakes.
Unless someone else things that you should wait longer?


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: chronosync]
    #10429281 - 05/31/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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chronosync said:
if i was planning to spawn to bulk w/ cakes, would i need to wait the extra week for consolidation after %100 colonization was achieved?
(a completely white jar)

would it be better to spawn it right away? easier to break up etc..
or give it the extra week anyways?

expert opinions please




The reason that you wait is so the myc can colonize the inside of the jar, yes wait, nothing worse than birthing and crumbling a cake that is not fully colonized.  So yes, wait the week. Did I say to wait, yes, wait the week before you do anything with the cake. 

If you are using brf cakes, you may want to shred them with a cheese grater when you go to spawn your bulk.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: george castanza]
    #10429293 - 05/31/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I would wait a few extra days but not really a week because if you wait to long it is possible for them to start growing invitro.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: Damion5050]
    #10429316 - 05/31/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i just crumbled some half colonized jars that stalled. Didn't think anything would happen but low and behold when i checked it, there was a big white patch. This was an outdoor grow though so i dont know if that matters.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: Damion5050]
    #10429324 - 05/31/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, a few extra days to a week will only benefit you. :smile:


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: Damion5050]
    #10429338 - 05/31/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Appears i was right that you dont need to wait a week. Waiting a week is for consilidation, which allows mycelium to digest food in preperation for fruiting.

Mycelium doesnt just colinise around the outside, it works its way through the substrate aswell. I have a cake that has only got spore solution at 2 inoc points, i expect that mycelium will poke through the other side at some point before the myc reaches round. Ive had a few cakes do this when inocualted with lc into the middle aswell.

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BRF jars can be used as spawn if they're fully colonized.  You don't need to wait a week, as is recommended if you're fruiting it as a cake.  Crumble your cake and mix it with twice as much pasteurized manure or coir.
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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: chronosync]
    #10429358 - 05/31/09 11:58 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Like mushroomhunter10 says, waiting will only benefit you.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: george castanza]
    #10429387 - 05/31/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Waiting can actually hurt you if they start to grow pins invitro..


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: Damion5050]
    #10429400 - 05/31/09 12:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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If you're using your brf cakes to spawn to bulk, you don't need to wait a week after full colonization of the cakes.  However, you should wait a week after full colonization of the bulk substrate before exposing to fruiting conditions.  The reason is to allow the mycelium time to consolidate its hold on the substrate before exposing to the drying conditions of fruiting.  If you expose to fruiting conditions early, the mycelium will just sit there for that week anyway, so it's best to keep it sealed up so it isn't losing moisture.

That week of waiting applies to easy to grow species such as P cubensis and P ostreatus.  If you're growing shiitake, it helps to wait a full month and sometimes two months after full colonization, depending on strain.  Exposing to fruiting early also causes those mutant 'blobs' that are all stem material and no cap.

I wasn't mad at anybody in this thread. :laugh:
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There is no reason to keep colonizing mycelium in the dark. Normal room light has no effect on anything during the colonization phase. I've proved that by many years of colonizing jars at room temperature and exposed to normal room lighting from the day of inoculation.

Consolidation is the part of the process where the mycelium has finished 'colonizing' the substrate, but has not had had time to digest enough of the food to be able to fruit readily. This is the reason for leaving brf in the jars for a week past full colonization. If you birth right away at full colonization, they won't fruit for a week anyway, so may as well leave them in the jars during that time so they're not drying out.

The above assumes that your jars colonized very fast in a properly prepared substrate that remained contaminant free. Obviously if the jars took two months to colonize, and/or there's bacteria in the jars, they could even start fruiting invitro prior to full colonization.

Stamets also explains the idea of consolidation in his books. It's not necessary with grains if you're going to be spawning to bulk or using for grain to grain transfers, but you do need to wait for full colonization. However, with pf cakes and other bulk substrates, it helps to wait some time after full colonization before initiating fruiting conditions. Doing so results in more prolific flushes. Failure to do so with some of the harder to grow edibles such as P nameko and Shiitake sometimes results in no flush at all.
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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10429446 - 05/31/09 12:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I guess the real question is when is the cake fully colonized?  Years ago, I spawned many brf cakes to bulk many times, sometimes when I didn't wait long enough, the center of the jar was not colonized.  That is all that I am saying, make sure your substrate is fully colonized.  No way to tell without opening your jar and crumbling your cake.  I would rather let my cake go a few more days than to birth it too soon, but that is just me.  I am speaking from experience on this one, not just regurgitating what I have read.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: george castanza]
    #10432164 - 05/31/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ok now i know what to do. thanks for all the input. and especially for finding those rr quotes veda. any tips on using the advanced search? i always get really redundant results or tons of re: entries

anyways thanks again.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: chronosync]
    #10469002 - 06/08/09 12:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

a few more questions now.
all my jars are at different stages. some seem fully colonized. others are at what i would guess as %90. a few are pinning/fruiting invitro. im actually seeing small mushrooms start to form in a few of my jars (1/8" tall).

i want to spawn most of my jars to coir and also fruit some in a small shotgun.
which would be better to spawn or just birth? the ones that are pinning or...

i have a choice here and i dont know what to do.


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Re: spawnings cakes to bulk 1 week consolidation? Q [Re: Damion5050]
    #10469206 - 06/08/09 02:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Damion5050 said:
Waiting can actually hurt you if they start to grow pins invitro..




can you tell me why?


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