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    #10466343 - 06/07/09 05:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Taking LSD and Mushrooms is fairly hard on the body. But the rewards for mind and spirit are more than commensurate. Smoking cannabis is hard on the body too--on the lung tissues--and the rewards, at least in the direction of mind expansion, are not commensurate.That is to say,tomorrow's lung cancer isn't worth this evening's buzz. Mind expansion is a kind of athletic enterprise.You need to take care of yourself in every way you can to withstand the effects of the genuinely mind-opening substances. There are also certain substances--datura, K, various others-- that are quite powerfully psychoactive whose effects on the body however are so punishing--if the dosage is even slightly off, and even if it is not--that they are better left alone for the sake of keeping yourself in one piece long enough to learn something from the 3 or 4 substances that are relatively safe.

I wonder how many would agree with the above?How many wouldn't?


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10466379 - 06/07/09 05:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Weed isn't great for your lungs, but it isn't close to as bad as tobacco. A weekend smoker won't get lung cancer. Shrooms and acid aren't really hard on the body at all, they actually don't really harm you at all. They can cause mental issues like HPPD, but physical...not really. As for the "various others" I kind of agree; most drugs I give the "try it once or twice" approach because a single use won't fuck you too bad. I do agree that sticking with classic psychedelics (weed included) is probably the best long term approach.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10466380 - 06/07/09 05:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I would have to disagree with marijuanas mind expanding benefits being negligable.. With practice marijuana can bring you to many of the same places as other psychedelics.. if your worried about lung damage , eat it than. Eating marijuana also may have anti-cancerous properties as well which is more than you can say for the other drugs listed...


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10466395 - 06/07/09 05:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you should read up on the effects of these drugs on the body?

Mescaline might make me tired the next day from spending the entire day tripping and doing stuff.  But It heals me and makes me feel incredible too.  I don't see it as hard on the body at all.

Furthermore, there is no connection betwixt MJ and cancer, an inverse relationship if you eat or vape only too since CBD and THC are tumor suppressors, or activate tumor suppressing pathways.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: Cannashroom]
    #10466409 - 06/07/09 05:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe you should read up on the effects of these drugs on the body?

Mescaline might make me tired the next day from spending the entire day tripping and doing stuff.  But It heals me and makes me feel incredible too.  I don't see it as hard on the body at all.

Furthermore, there is no connection betwixt MJ and cancer, an inverse relationship if you eat or vape only too since CBD and THC are tumor suppressors, or activate tumor suppressing pathways.




I'd go a step further and put all traditional psychedelics instead of just mescaline.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: teeter]
    #10467062 - 06/07/09 07:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Totally agree with what your saying, but smoking cannabis isn't really that hard on the body, there is far less tar in cannabis than tobacco and for those that vaporize the health issues are non existent.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10467279 - 06/07/09 08:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms are hard on the body?

Explain...


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #10467405 - 06/07/09 09:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It kinda sounds like your post is  an interesting type of survey to see how educated some of us shroomerites are.

Whether that was your intentions or not, I like it.:thumbup:

Anyways, while most psychedelics do have side effects like increased mucous production, increased/decreased blood pressure, nausea(sometimes, for some people) etc. these effects are only temporary. There is no long term effects.

Weed has been shown in many studies ot have anti-cancer effects and is much healthier than smoking tobacco and cigs.

Other drugs aren't that bad as long as you control yourself and live a healthy lifestyle to do as little damage as possible while having the most fun:vaped:.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: libertyshroom]
    #10467709 - 06/07/09 09:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, using a vaporizer with cannabis would remove any lung cancer potential.  As for the effects of traditional psychedelics on health--I recall reading that Wasson believed that mushrooms were somewhat deleterious.I'm not sure what kind of mushrooms he was talking about. Maybe it was amanita muscaria.Maybe P. Mexicana.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10467958 - 06/07/09 10:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

He was definitely talking about Amanita Muscaria, the health risks for that strain are well known, even though you can take some and still not die.

As for PSILOCYBIN mushrooms, wich is what I thought you were talking about, I could not see any health risk...


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: champinhom]
    #10467977 - 06/07/09 11:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms are a little rough on the stomach but this is a very shortlived thing and with moderate use wouldn't affect anything. And LSD is physically safe as well.

However I do believe the possibilities of mental trauma are very real as I have seen it happen. A bad freak out on either drug can mess someone up for few weeks. They can also supposedly bring out dormant mental conditions. Not to mention panic attacks and short term anxiety following trips can happen too.


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Re: psychedelics and health [Re: Freeker]
    #10468335 - 06/08/09 12:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

no.. psilocybin mushrooms are not hard on the body at all....


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