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Cyber
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10413251 - 05/28/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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#1) Heat does not make a big different in the content, People make tea, Cook them in eggs, RR Grills them, Some people put them in melting chocolate, I have used a dehydrator set between 135f and 150f for years to dry mine and there is no noticeable difference. #2) Multi spore is a crap shoot, I have had MS grows that produce killer trips and others that produce almost nothing. #3) Content can vary from one mushrooms to the next on the same substrate, it can vary from one flush to the next. The first one can be bad and the next one great.
All in all, make another run and see how it goes. I bet the next batch is great!
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Cyber]
#10413262 - 05/28/09 12:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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How then would i "Stabilize" my results as far as potency goes... Is that what the rizomorphic isolation on agar media is for? Or does that not even necessarily ensure a more potent flush?
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10413399 - 05/28/09 01:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isolation on agar is done to produce a more uniform fruiting though you could select and grow and test to find the one you like the most. I tend to have a couple of isolates that are preferred over others.
As to ensuring a more potent flush, well There is no way that I know of. From my personal subjective tests I find spawning to composted cow poo to be the best but others think that BRF produces the best potency results. Some say that by adding specific grains or other additives to the substrate you can get better results. It all boils down to subjective testing, AKA you eat them and decide for your self.
To date I do not know of any study that used quantitative tests to show any difference.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Cyber]
#10413583 - 05/28/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also remember you build up an instant tolerance. If you've eaten mushrooms or acid in the past month, your results could be due to a high tolerance. I know guys who think they can trip every weekend and feel the full effects.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
#10413636 - 05/28/09 01:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spongiform, Week not month. You can do them 7 days apart with out seeing a lot of tolerance build up
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Cyber]
#10413661 - 05/28/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah, in my personal experiences it seems about a month is what it takes to completely loose my tolerance. I snagged this off of wikipedia, I suppose the month long time is just my personal biochemistry kicking me in the ass.
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Psilocybin is absorbed through the lining of the mouth and stomach. Effects begin 10–40 minutes after ingestion of psilocybin-containing mushrooms, and last from 2–6 hours depending on dose, species, and individual metabolism.[21] A typical recreational dosage is from 10–50 mg psilocybin. However, a very small number of people are unusually sensitive to psilocybin's effects, where a normally threshold dose of around 2 mg of psilocybin can result in effects usually associated with medium and high doses. Likewise, there are some people who require relatively high doses of psilocybin to gain low-dose effects. Individual brain chemistry and metabolism play a large role in determining a person's response to psilocybin.
Psilocybin is metabolized mostly in the liver where it becomes psilocin. It is broken down by the enzyme monoamine oxidase. MAO inhibitors have been known to sustain the effects of psilocybin for longer periods of time; people who are taking an MAOI for a medical condition or are seeking to potentiate the mushroom experience may experience highly potentiated effects.
Mental and physical tolerance to psilocybin builds and dissipates quickly. Taking psilocybin more than three or four times in a week (especially on consecutive days) can result in diminished effects. Tolerance dissipates after a few days, so frequent users often keep doses spaced five to seven days apart to avoid the effect.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
#10413665 - 05/28/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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If using multispore is rolling the dice.......... How do you find that needle in the haystack?? I mean is there a way to determine if a grow will be potent without growing out dozens of different isolates? Or is there a way to tell?? I mean are rhizomorphic mycelium more potent then say a cottony strand?? Is it totally unpractical to hope for good characteristics (big fruits, potency, quick growth)from a multispore?? Is it better to just start isolating your multispore on agar right away? Or is it better to roll the dice hope for a decent end result and then clone that particular mushroom.. I've been reading mixed opinions about this. Most of the threads I've read basically say that multi-spore is not a good way to go, that starting from an isolate is always better.. But what I am saying is this.. Since you can't buy isolates anywhere how to you go from multispore to an amazing strain? Is there certain things to look for while doing isolates? Or do you have to find that genetic quality your looking for by growing out dozens of isolates and fruiting them all.. I'm sorry if the way I worded this is confusing..
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: 79towncar]
#10413693 - 05/28/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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You pretty much hit the head on the nail.
When I do multispore (which is most of what I do atm) I chop everything up into small pieces, dry and then mix it all up in an attempt to balance the potency.
When doing isolates, you'll want to look for fast growing strains initially, so they colonize quickly. After that you'll want to look for ones that fruit well. Good pinsets or big clusters.
Once you narrow that down, you'll want to test for potency.
Once you find a fast colonizing, high yielding, potent isolate, you've got a vial of pure gold in your hand.
I've got a vial of slow colonizing, low yielding, but very potent stuff someone gave me. It's a pain to work with, but it's ridiculously potent.
One day I'll get the equipment to do isolates and have a blast with that.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: 79towncar]
#10413700 - 05/28/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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The "needle in the haystack" tends to be the poor producers not the top producers.
As to isolates, you isolate out several substrains and grow them out. There is no easy way to ID which strain will be the best. Though rhizomorphic growth is normally a great strain!
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
#10413706 - 05/28/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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We were talking about this earlier... since MS agar cultures are usually isolated for growth potential (which I don't believe equals potency potential) the only way to really isolate them would be a "Pepsi Challenge" with your grows.
As best I can figure... it would be starting dozens of clone cultures from dozens of different shrooms... labeling them and keeping track of them. Testing the shrooms... seeing with batches give you what you're looking for... then going back to the clone cultures and growing from them and testing again. Doesn't seem like there's any easy way to 100% tell from the start what you're going to be getting into.
Since most people say genetics is the deciding factor in potency... then clones of your best performers SHOULD stay steady across the board... Sadly, nothing you could really do to distribute the cultures since any spores that would drop from there could pretty much put you back to square 1.
If I'm way off base here, please lemme know.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Scucci]
#10413775 - 05/28/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sry to hijack my thread... Thanks for all the fast answers!! Cyber I know what you mean about the needle in the haystack as being the poor producers.. But to find the "big three" (potency, big fruits, fast colonization) it's gotta be like finding that needle. Or maybe much easier then I think.. Spongeform... Good luck with your future isolation work. If you can somehow get that potent isolate to fruit better you def will have some gold in a vial haha. Thanx again! take it easy..
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: 79towncar]
#10459640 - 06/05/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just basically a bump for those that are wondering the outcome. I just got the second flush dried. 25.6g! Doin them up tonight!
Edited by JuicyColor (06/05/09 12:12 PM)
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10459907 - 06/05/09 01:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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have fun!
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JuicyColor
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My god, they worked. The different drying method is the only one i will use from now on. Those mushrooms made for one of the best trips ive ever had!!
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10465215 - 06/07/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i hate spores101.
like plenty of noobies i found them some how for my 1st grow.
7 syringes.
one worked. one.
fuck. them.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10465253 - 06/07/09 10:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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JuicyColor said: My god, they worked. The different drying method is the only one i will use from now on. Those mushrooms made for one of the best trips ive ever had!!
and wasnt due to a different drying method. But mutlispore, which previous posters have said.
Potenyc will vary from flush to flush, and even fruit to fruit.
I have fanned dried before and into desciscent, i have also dried in the warm updraught of my oven, had potent fruits, and weak fruits from both methods.
Im quite sensitive however though and dosing for me is quite small compared to others, 12 grams fresh gives me killer visuals. But i dont dose very often at all, infact its been almost 2 years.
glad you had a great time.
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Quote:
veda_sticks said:
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JuicyColor said: My god, they worked. The different drying method is the only one i will use from now on. Those mushrooms made for one of the best trips ive ever had!!
and wasnt due to a different drying method. But mutlispore, which previous posters have said.
Potenyc will vary from flush to flush, and even fruit to fruit.
I have fanned dried before and into desciscent, i have also dried in the warm updraught of my oven, had potent fruits, and weak fruits from both methods.
Im quite sensitive however though and dosing for me is quite small compared to others, 12 grams fresh gives me killer visuals. But i dont dose very often at all, infact its been almost 2 years.
glad you had a great time.
wait.. what??
2 years???
dear gosh.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
#10999547 - 09/04/09 03:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm with veda. Each shroom in a multispore grow will have different potency levels. Another thing to watch out for is what you eat before taking the shrooms. If you just ate dinner an hour ago the effects of the shrooms would be noticably lower. If you wait for four or five hours after your food has digested, the effects are alot stronger.
I usually eat shrooms on an empty stomach. I'll have a nice healthy breakfast and lunch, take a good dump and eat shrooms for dinner. Thats just me tho. I hate wasting drugs and using them on a full stomach is a waste to me.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: goldieman]
#10999682 - 09/04/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glad you had a good time
But as others have stated, it's not the way your drying them, and if that's the only info your using to gauge your results, your going to miss a big part of this hobby, call science.
Don't start down that road. Learn the facts and reason through the information.
GL
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: drumjam]
#11000068 - 09/04/09 05:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i second that
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