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jasonjasonjason
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weed grower doin the shroom thing
#10460383 - 06/05/09 09:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey everyone hows it going first i want to thank you guys for having such an awesome site for me to learn all the things i need to know about mycology! i have been reading non stop all day haha.
anyways, i have been living/renting in a nice situation where i have a sick landlord who doesnt step foot in my house, and i pay my own power bill so its all good and were clean. however due to a reason i dont really feel like getting into (landlord is a scammer) i have to move. problem is everywhere im looking at has shared power bills, not allowing me to do my thing, at least on the level that i would like to (ill still have a small closet grow) but i need something bigger to take care of everything.
while i feel like i have the basics down, id like for you guys to point me in the right direction. so far i understand that you must prepare a substrate by sterilizing and innoculating it. then this is "cased" it some kind of container and left to incubate with a plastic film over the casing. once its fully colonized you remove plastic and let fruit grow. obviously there is much more to it than that but im just making sure i got the general jist of the thing.
a couple questions i have are 1. what is the best way to have a walk in room/terrarium with multiple shelve units and humidifiers?
2. can i have my inoculation, incubation, and fruiting areas all in one location or should they be seperated. (of course they will be seperated enough for environmental differences)
3. can i use any of my old grow equip for this? like carbon scrubber/fans. obviously dont need hid lighting
thanks for whoever out there is kind enough to respond
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Yeah that's the basics.
1) do a search for "martha" or "mini greenhouse". Not so much walk in units, more like the equivalent to an mj grow tent.
2) you can incubate and fruit in the same space, as long as the incubated stuff isn't exposed to light...you'll learn about light triggers and stuff (sort of like mj photoperiods). I found very little difference between incubating at room temp, and having a dedicated incubator.
3) Those fans would be good for moving air out of an actual mushroom greenhouse but too powerful for this. You are trying to maintain a moist environment with a touch of fresh air exchange, not completely exchange the air constantly and dry everything out. Unless you have a climate controlled greenhouse but you get the picture...
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: Holydiver]
#10460443 - 06/05/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holydiver said: as long as the incubated stuff isn't exposed to light...
I say this statement is incorrect.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
#10460510 - 06/05/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holydiver said: as long as the incubated stuff isn't exposed to light...
I say this statement is incorrect.
Although light isn't a "MAJOR" pinning trigger, it can still "INFLUENCE" Your grow. It's not ENTIRELY INCORRECT. When giving advice to a person new to this type of cultivation, then you may want to give the "Best" advice. Once that person has a few grows under his/her belt, then they can experiment and tweak their cultivation tek to fit their own unique cultivating parameters.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: The shroomy 1]
#10460533 - 06/05/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks guys. one more thing i forgot to ask is what is the general time cycle once you get up and running i.e is it easy to get going in a perpetual fashion while keeping things even? what i mean is are the fruiting and incubating times similar at all so i can rotate out tubs as they fruit and new ones need to be incubated? or will i be getting a build up of incubated tubs waiting to be fruited when i dont have enough room?
sorry if i sound dumb..im going to go research incubation/fruiting times right now.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: The shroomy 1]
#10460538 - 06/05/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I disagree, and so do many who will colinise there jars in the presence of light. What about comercial operations like fungi perfecti that colinise int he presence of bright flourescent lighting?
Light in my experience, wether incandescent fluerescent or sunlight has no effect during colinisation.
You dont have to colinse in light, but you dont have to go out of your way to make sure thgey dont get light.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: veda_sticks]
#10460573 - 06/06/09 03:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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so then, how do you initiate fruiting if i were to have colonizing and fruiting trays in the same environment? dont you usually lower temp and introduce lighting? what else again? will time take care of everything?
also, would it be best to set up multiple martha tents, or is it possible to sent up one large area out of pvc and painter plastic and multiple humidifiers to have one large fruiting area.
and lastly what is everyones thoughts on strain selection using agar. is it advisable to select a strongly rhizotonic mycelium from the start and colonizing my all my substrate with that instead of wasting time with multistrains. or is this tricky for a first timer like myself.
well thanks again guys, i never thought id know this much about mycology and its only been a day!!
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Initiate fruiting with fresh air and humidity.
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jasonjasonjason said: so then, how do you initiate fruiting if i were to have colonizing and fruiting trays in the same environment? dont you usually lower temp and introduce lighting?
Light doesn't become a fruiting trigger until full colonization is reached and you'll want it to be a fluorescent or LED light in the 6500 Kelvin color temperature range. A bright window will also do fine.
No cubensis strain benefits from a cold shock. Cold shocking is for fall fruiting edibles.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
#10461476 - 06/06/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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:edit: don't pay attention to the Re:
You may read in some posts that the will do there "dunk" of cakes or casings in a fridge or under cold water, and this is nothing more than an area where contams are less likely to be.
In my experiences light doesn't affect colonization at all, I have no proof but I think it's been explained here enough.;) When I first started I busted my butt trying to make everything colonizing be a dark room, so much hassle!
Fresh Air Exposure (which will induce evaporation) is going to be the number one pinning trigger (make mushies gr0)
That's just a few things I learned my first go around.
I'm sure you already know but pay attention to the Trusted Cultivator tag, fantastic "invention" that tag.
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alright so as i understand this will be the easiest way for me on my first try colonize grain in spawn bags, once colonized mix with pastuerized straw. or horsepoo (if i use bird and not rye seed? correct?) in spawn bags and let colonize a little bit more. all this is done in a darker warmer environment with no fresh air. then once fully collonized put into trays. i head its not necesary to case cubensis in proper environment?
couple final questions are how time consuming is the whole process of sterilizing all your substrates. if im going to be doing multiple martha tents how much cleaning can i expect to do? or furthermore how much susbtrate can fit in a typical martha?
how many tents will i need to have a multi pound fruiting once a month?
and lastly how many marthas can one cool mist cover? do i need one for each tent???
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: veda_sticks]
#10463895 - 06/06/09 11:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: I disagree, and so do many who will colinise there jars in the presence of light. What about comercial operations like fungi perfecti that colinise int he presence of bright flourescent lighting?
Light in my experience, wether incandescent fluerescent or sunlight has no effect during colinisation.
You dont have to colinse in light, but you dont have to go out of your way to make sure thgey dont get light.
So your saying that LIGHT DOESN'T INFLUENCE the grow? Is that what I Hear you saying? Yes or No.
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jasonjasonjason said: alright so as i understand this will be the easiest way for me on my first try colonize grain in spawn bags, once colonized mix with pastuerized straw. or horsepoo (if i use bird and not rye seed? correct?) in spawn bags and let colonize a little bit more. all this is done in a darker warmer environment with no fresh air. then once fully collonized put into trays. i head its not necesary to case cubensis in proper environment?
Yes. never put the mycellium in anything air tight though, as it will die. you do not need to case, and it is less likely to contaminate without a casing. Also, proper sterile procedure will save you from growing tons of mold.
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couple final questions are how time consuming is the whole process of sterilizing all your substrates. if im going to be doing multiple martha tents how much cleaning can i expect to do? or furthermore how much susbtrate can fit in a typical martha?
how many tents will i need to have a multi pound fruiting once a month?
and lastly how many marthas can one cool mist cover? do i need one for each tent???
The sterilizing takes 1 - 1 1/2 hours per load in the pressure cooker (whatever yours can hold). You will pasteurize your bulk substrate as it is faster and less likely to contaminate if done properly.
I do not know the yeild you should expect, try searching martha grow logs (if you can). Other posts about martha's and greenhouses will help with the design of your martha.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: The shroomy 1]
#10463904 - 06/06/09 11:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The shroomy 1 said:
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veda_sticks said: I disagree, and so do many who will colinise there jars in the presence of light. What about comercial operations like fungi perfecti that colinise int he presence of bright flourescent lighting?
Light in my experience, wether incandescent fluerescent or sunlight has no effect during colinisation.
You dont have to colinse in light, but you dont have to go out of your way to make sure thgey dont get light.
So your saying that LIGHT DOESN'T INFLUENCE the grow? Is that what I Hear you saying? Yes or No.
obviously it does. anyone who says it doesn't is either wrong or didn't think over their answer. It's a very decent pinning trigger (a few minutes of direct sunlight/day) and helps with pigment during the growing process.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: RedDevil420]
#10463995 - 06/07/09 12:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Light is a very important pinning trigger once full colonization and an increase in fresh air is introduced. The old advice to "incubate in total darkness" is unsound.
In fact, there's a lot of evidence to support introducing substrates to a normal 12/12 lighting cycle from the day of inoculation. Commercial shiitake growers have demonstrated an improvement in flushes and total yield when the lighting cycle is established early, far before the substrates are introduced to fruiting conditions. We can learn a lot from commercial growers who deal in the thousands, even millions of pounds of product. RR
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10464067 - 06/07/09 12:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally I would skip the martha, in my experience it was more of a hassle then it was for the output. If I were you I would go through the same process but with monotubs you could stack like 6 14 gallon monotubs in the same space as the martha and get more out put with it needing less maintenance and a lot less cost, no humidifiers no green house just some tubs, garbage bags, polyfill or micropore tape, spawn, and poo.
But I wouldn't try to throw 6 monotubs together with out a few grows under your belt cause it would be horribly disappointing to throw all that hard work away.
I would read up on monotubs, preparing grains, sterile procedures, and pasteurizing.
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10464113 - 06/07/09 12:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Has anyone really studied the difference between giving your p.cub light when you incubate and giving it darkness? The answer is yes, the fbi did when they busted pf, I do not have a link, but I am sure anyone interested enough can find and review it, if anyone knows of a better study I would be much pleased to be able to review it. I took the info in the pf bust as pretty much solid, because pf himself proclaimed it as golden, and to my understanding was sending it out with his syringes.
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I don't even remember what they found, but they followed his instructions to the letter, so it's no wonder he would find it 'golden'.
However, it was only one or two grows by fbi noobs, so I wouldn't give it much credence regardless. I found years ago with cubes that by keeping them colonizing in the same room with fruiting chambers and exposed to light resulted in better and faster flushes. It was interesting a few years later to hear Stamets repudiate his 'incubate in total darkness' mantra, and then last year to find commercial shiitake growers had discovered the same thing. RR
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Re: weed grower doin the shroom thing [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10464184 - 06/07/09 01:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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What they found, if memory serves (and it usually does) is that the substrate that got light grew longer stems and smaller caps(lack of fae? supposedly the mushrooms were all fruited under the same conditions), whilst the ones in total darkness grew more traditional mushies(smaller stems larger caps). I do not think that there was any notable yield variance. The last thing I am trying to do is refute your studies with something that I have read(especially an fbi crime lab study), because we all know that you are the Shiznit, Mr. RR
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