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OfflineHelloStephy
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help with dry rye
    #1046171 - 11/12/02 09:00 PM (20 years, 26 days ago)

i am not having luck at all...i have to start over tonight i think. i was innoculating in jars of rye and then going to dump into my compost and mix...kind of like the DB kit, only jars instead of bags.maybe my lid holes were too big. i even used a coffee filter under the lid. :|
i used all the recommended measurements of water and rye, and pressure cooked and everything. used 2 ccs of spore in a pint jar....but somehow, my rye dried out and i have no idea what to do. its been 6 days and there is no colonization what so ever...its not like bone dry or anything...i (sterilized of course) touched it with my finger and it felt a little clammy (thats the best adjective i could come up with).

can i just re-wet them somehow and bring them back to life, or should i just start over again with fresh rye and jars and hope the same thing doesnt happen again?

i looked in the FAQ and couldnt really find an answer. your help would be greatly appreciated.


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Edited by HelloStephy (11/12/02 09:12 PM)


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OfflineMsPacMan
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1046950 - 11/13/02 12:56 AM (20 years, 26 days ago)

i like millet. its pretty easy to work with. i would start over if you stuck your finger in it.


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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1046954 - 11/13/02 12:57 AM (20 years, 26 days ago)

i just reread what you wrote, 6 days isn't always enough time. just let it chill for a while longer, but you may have contaminated it.


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InvisibleAlkaloids
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1047290 - 11/13/02 02:39 AM (20 years, 26 days ago)

What temperature are you incubating at?  This can affect the growth rate immensely. How big are your holes (if that isn't too personal... ha ha ha)?  If they are just large enough for syringes, then you shouldn't have enough moisture loss to dry out your grain yet. 
  Sometimes it takes spores longer to germinate.  patience little one.  :smile: 


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OfflineOn_the_Down-Low
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1048217 - 11/13/02 08:56 AM (20 years, 25 days ago)

Rye can be pokey and finicky. I think bird seed from Wal-mart is easier to use.
What strain was it?


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Invisiblematts
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[Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1048226 - 11/13/02 08:59 AM (20 years, 25 days ago)



Edited by matts (11/13/02 09:01 AM)


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OfflineNew Name
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1048295 - 11/13/02 09:25 AM (20 years, 25 days ago)

Back when I didn't have an incubator rye often took over a week to germinate, but now that I keep them nice and warm i get full colinization within 2 weeks 90% of the time.


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Offlinekykeon
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1048579 - 11/13/02 11:51 AM (20 years, 25 days ago)

well Stephy i got only one question. why do you stress yourself working with whole grains? there is a ratio of water/grains that must be perfect and it depends on various factors, such as the quality of the grains you have.

i suggest working with flour of rye, rice, corn etc which will give u results [eg mushrooms] and then you can start experimenting with grains. its not that easy.

if u insist trying on grains, i have to insist you read this page with the pics, which is extremely useful:

GRAIN FOR SIMPLE MINDS at www.FUNGIFUN.COM

dont worry, its only a matter of time till success my lady!

Kykeon  :grin:
athens, greece   


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Invisiblematts
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[Re: kykeon]
    #1048730 - 11/13/02 03:16 PM (20 years, 25 days ago)



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OfflineHelloStephy
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: HelloStephy]
    #1048906 - 11/13/02 06:51 PM (20 years, 25 days ago)

i didnt get to read all the the posts because i am at work...but thanks for all your wonderful input i will read them all later.
as far as temp...right between 74 and 79...i have a digital thermometer with a sensor. the holes are smaller than the size of pencils i guess? i promise you, these babies dont need time. they need water.
i did simmer them and then pressure cooked them. there is no visible contamination in the jar....hell i would be happy to see even that at this point so i would know what screwed me up.
i wanted to try something different but i didnt know how it would work with scotts/verm 50/50. rye is the only way i have seen it done with my own two eyes and know it worked.
if there is a tek without using rye that someone has personally tried out that would like to share that would help alot. i guess i am starting over tonight.
so much for my thanksgiving harvest. :frown:


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Offlinekykeon
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Re: help with dry rye [Re: matts]
    #1048926 - 11/13/02 07:06 PM (20 years, 25 days ago)

com'on Matts, read first and then flame me :smile: cool.

Stephy did simmer the rye but shit happened. thats why i said, imho, that she should be starting with something simpler, such as pf cakes that can later on crumble and case.

i never said that rye isnt cool, it really kicks ass, thats why i am also using it :wink:

PEACE :laugh:

Kykeon
athens, greece 


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InvisibleShaw

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Re: help with dry rye [Re: matts]
    #1049336 - 11/13/02 09:49 PM (20 years, 25 days ago)

I prefer to soak it 24 hrs and rinse. Gives me the right consistancy, unless i use gypsome, in which i add a little extra water.


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