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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10456992 - 06/04/09 09:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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> Nothing you said there supports your assertion that Palin is not a hypocrite...:confused:

As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska?  If not, then what is your complaint?  :confused:



Her religious moral beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that, as Redstorm said, she opines that drugs should not be used freely without punishment, that gays should not be married, and that abortions should be illegal; that this is her political stance means that she is in no position to accuse a member of the government of desiring control over the populace.


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Nothing you said there supports your assertion that Palin is not a hypocrite...:confused:



A hypocrite about what, lips?



..about how, for instance, she believes that there should be laws that prohibit drug use/possession, while accusing someone else of desiring control over the American populace.


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Seuss]
    #10457044 - 06/04/09 09:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska? 





Closing down the homes for pregnant teens was a good one.


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10457071 - 06/04/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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"Some in Washington would approach our economic woes in ways that absolutely defy Economics 101, and they fly in the face of principles, providing opportunity for industrious Americans to succeed or to fail on their own accord," she said. "Those principles it makes you wonder what the heck some in Washington are trying to accomplish here."


"Since when can you get out of huge national debt by creating trillions of dollars of new debt?" Palin asked. "It all really is so backwards and skewed as to sound like absolute nonsense when some of this economic policy is explained."





She's right and Sarah Palin is the only one left in the republican party i have any respect for.

the rest of them are just a bunch of pussies!



Fucking spot on





Sounds like they are still scared to death of her. :grin:


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: TGRR]
    #10457353 - 06/04/09 10:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska? 





Closing down the homes for pregnant teens was a good one.





I dont think you were part of the mob that put out many lies about Sarah Palin daily during the election (they were scared little bitches)

but do mind showing me a link?

Like how many "homes for pregnant teens" did she close down?


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10457964 - 06/05/09 01:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Fucking spot on and Australian idiots have nothing to say about it.  They aren't paying the fucking bill.




What?


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Poid]
    #10458268 - 06/05/09 04:34 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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> Nothing you said there supports your assertion that Palin is not a hypocrite...:confused:

As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska?  If not, then what is your complaint?  :confused:



Her religious moral beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that, as Redstorm said, she opines that drugs should not be used freely without punishment, that gays should not be married, and that abortions should be illegal; that this is her political stance means that she is in no position to accuse a member of the government of desiring control over the populace.




Wow... read what you said again.  I asked for proof that her opinions (opines?) drive her political stance on issues, thus forcing her moral beliefs (opines?) upon the people of Alaska.  Nice way to avoid the question and declare it so.

The way you boil it down: Her moral beliefs are magically forced upon the people of Alaska, thus she has no right to criticize politicians in the federal government for trying to control the US population?  :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that there are not examples of her mixing her moral beliefs into her political career, but I would like to know what they are before forming an opinion.  People are quick to jump on the Palin hate bandwagon without any idea as to why, other than they dislike her religious and moral beliefs... and yet these same people have the gall to use the word hypocrite.

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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10458302 - 06/05/09 04:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

> Like how many "homes for pregnant teens" did she close down?

In budget cuts that she made, $5 million was cut from funding for Covenant House Alaska, a shelter for homeless and runaway youth, thus she is "obviously" going after pregnant teens.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Seuss]
    #10458317 - 06/05/09 05:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The only wagon being jumped on here is the "personal freedom" bandwagon that Palin is using to get back in the news. As many others have said, she was hardly a Libertarian when she was running for office, but now she's seen an opportunity to cash in on the concern about the economy suddenly she's fighting for people's freedom from the government? :rolleyes:


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: zouden]
    #10458459 - 06/05/09 06:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

> As many others have said, she was hardly a Libertarian when she was running for office

And how does that matter?  What I care about is what she has done in office, not what people perceive that she would do in office.  Although I agree that she is nowhere near libertarian, she is a lot closer to the tenets of small government than Obama and company.


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10458508 - 06/05/09 07:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama promised to overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell. :shrug:

Talk about hypocrisy.





funny you should mention that, seems he's completely changed his mind again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30834555#30834555

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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10458930 - 06/05/09 09:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama promised to overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell. :shrug:

Talk about hypocrisy.





funny you should mention that, seems he's completely changed his mind again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30834555#30834555





you guys sure don't miss any opportunity to bash obama in completely unrelated threads...  so much for helping to keep things on topic eh?


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10458949 - 06/05/09 09:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama promised to overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell. :shrug:

Talk about hypocrisy.





funny you should mention that, seems he's completely changed his mind again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30834555#30834555





Barack Obama:

“Gay soldiers are being dismissed not because the president of the United States feels they should be discriminated against, which would be bad enough. Instead, they’re being dismissed because the president doesn’t feel like doing anything about it.”

:wtf:

anyway forget the facts they would rather get back to ridiculing Sarah Palin....


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Seuss]
    #10458952 - 06/05/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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> Nothing you said there supports your assertion that Palin is not a hypocrite...:confused:

As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska?  If not, then what is your complaint?  :confused:






That she's promoting crap utterly inconsistant with her actions.


When one appeals to some philosophy that is wildly contradictory to her actions and offers no explanation, it is hard to not view them as whores clinging to whatever in vogue buzzwords happen to score well in the polls for that week.




That palin would have the nerve to talk about shit like this (which is 100% on the money) given her record is quite the mystery.



I agree with redstorm.  Palin has no room to call out anyone on this shit givern her views and (limited) actions.  I could deal with it if she said " well this is what th epeople want and I'm just giving it to them" but she doesn't- she supports prohibition, she supports interference with people's lives, she supports victimless crimes, and she supports paternal governments harrasing their citizens with threats of prison, theft, and miscellaneous other forms of harrasment.

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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Yrat]
    #10458968 - 06/05/09 09:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama promised to overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell. :shrug:

Talk about hypocrisy.





funny you should mention that, seems he's completely changed his mind again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30834555#30834555





you guys sure don't miss any opportunity to bash obama in completely unrelated threads...  so much for helping to keep things on topic eh?






This thread is about Barack Obama spending trillions of dollars and taking over huge corporations with taxpayers money.

other people brought up gay rights, and shit about Sarah Palin closing down teen homeless shelters....


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Seuss]
    #10459003 - 06/05/09 09:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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> Like how many "homes for pregnant teens" did she close down?

In budget cuts that she made, $5 million was cut from funding for Covenant House Alaska, a shelter for homeless and runaway youth, thus she is "obviously" going after pregnant teens.  :rolleyes:





technically she didn't even cut it.

In Alaska, the governor is allowed to reduce spending allocations in the service of sound management and fiscal accountability. To prove his contention that Palin slashed funds for teen mothers, Kane produced the Alaska 2008 budget with Sarah Palin’s line by line adjustments. It is true that lawmakers allocated 5 million to Covenant House Alaska and that Mrs. Palin cut that allocation to 3.9 million dollars. However, what is misleading about the Post headline is that the allocation of 3.9 million is three times more than Covenant House Alaska received from government grants in 2007. According to records on the Covenant House Alaska website, the organization received just over 1.3 million dollars from grants in 2007 and nearly 1.2 million in 2006. Even with the reductions, Governor Palin signed a budget which provided three times more funds than the organization received in 2007.

the covenant house asked for 5 million and she gave them 3.9 million. (3 times more than they received the year before)

http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/09/03/sarah-palin-did-not-slash-funds-for-teen-mothers/


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: TGRR]
    #10459020 - 06/05/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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As Governor, has Palin forced any of her religious moral beliefs upon the people of Alaska? 





Closing down the homes for pregnant teens was a good one.



Link?


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: johnm214]
    #10459030 - 06/05/09 09:55 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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That palin would have the nerve to talk about shit like this








THE NERVE OF HER! HOW DARE HER TALK ABOUT THE CHOSEN ONE!

and remember nobody forces you to read what Sarah Palin has to say.....


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10459083 - 06/05/09 10:13 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)



the woman's nuts, but she knows how to get the mouth-breathers excited.


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10459098 - 06/05/09 10:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

PALIN PIPES UP.... We haven't heard too much from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) lately, aside from her resistance to education standards and her ongoing efforts to reject energy-related stimulus funds. But rest assured, the controversial governor still has her eyes on the nation's capital.

Alaska governor Sarah Palin let loose Wednesday on the Obama administration for enacting fiscal policies that "fly in the face of principles" and "defy Economics 101."

In a speech introducing Michael Reagan -- the son of former President Ronald Reagan -- to an audience in Anchorage, Palin warned that the government is planning to "bail out debt ridden states" so it can "get in there and control the people."

"Since when can you get out of huge national debt by creating trillions of dollars of new debt?" Palin asked. "It all really is so backwards and skewed as to sound like absolute nonsense when some of this economic policy is explained."

Oddly enough, "absolute nonsense" is one of the first phrases that comes to mind reading about Palin's odd concerns.

Usually, when someone is this confused, he/she doesn't flaunt it so blatantly. Whoever tried to "explain" this "economic policy" to her either didn't do a very good job, or the governor wasn't paying close enough attention to the explanation. (Does she really think the government is spending more in the midst of an economic crisis as part of an effort to "get out of huge national debt"? And what makes her think the federal government wants to "control the people"?)

I'm reminded of a recent item from Reihan Salam, a prominent conservative blogger and Republican strategist, who defended Palin for months, made excuses for her shortcomings, and tried to convince any who'd listen that she's really not as awful as she might seem. After watching Palin's post-election train wreck, Salam gave up, calling her "a clownish, vindictive amateur," who appears to have "undergone some kind of secret lobotomy."

In the wake of last year's presidential election, Palin had a real opportunity to position herself as a credible national figure and a leader in Republican politics. The governor, for some inexplicable reasons, has chosen the wrong path.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_06/018491.php


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Re: Palin: Government wants to 'control the people' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10459100 - 06/05/09 10:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

what are you talking about?  The complaint wasn't that she was talking about "the choosen one" (whoever that is) but that she's making meritous complaints taht contradict her own positions without any excuse or explanation.


Its the same old crap of "blame the other side" that tries to shift attention from one's ownactions, with the implicit suggestion that if one is complaining about someone else surely they act differently then the complained of actions.  The problem is she is also vulnerable to her own criticism and yet she neither acknowledges it nor explains it.


More of the same- I wish i had some idea of what palin actually believes- its hard to figure it out when she advances no coherent philosophy nor explanation for her deviations from what she suggests she agrees with. 



How you got outta my statements or redstorm's that the problem was her criticizing someone rather than sharing faults with those she criticizes and cynically offering no explanation, suggersting she thinks the populace is too stupid to realize the contradiction, I have no idea.

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