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My bulk recipe
    #10452677 - 06/04/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I have been asking around for a good recipe for a bulk substrate and no one seems to be helping me so I came up with my own. Does this sound about right?
-6 cups coir
-4 cups composted cow manure
-6 cups vermiculite (fine grade)
-2 cups gypsum
-1 cup coffee grounds
-1 cup worm castings
If you do the math it is 30% coir, 20% poo, 30% verm, 10% gypsum, 5% coffee, and 5% worm castings. If you would like to critique the recipe just give it to me in a percentage. Should I use more coir, more poo, less verm? I don't know so you tell me. Thanks in advance for any responses.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: bootedboy]
    #10452733 - 06/04/09 09:22 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: Seems like it would work.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: Doc_T]
    #10452814 - 06/04/09 09:52 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

nothing in there is bad- the more the merrier when it comes to ingredients in a substrate.  just my opinion

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: shagnito]
    #10452837 - 06/04/09 10:02 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i was curious why i don't see more people adding BRF to bulk subs. it seems like it would make a decent additive. it's used as a sub in the PF tek yet i rarely see it added to buk subs. i would imagine it would be fairly nutritious.

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: apoonanor]
    #10452844 - 06/04/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Grains are a poor choice for bulks subs- because they are nutritious. They invite contamination.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: Doc_T]
    #10452855 - 06/04/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like it would work. But I would add more poo cause poo gives you monster shrooms, and I would lower the verm cause it is none nutritious so it is more of a filler.

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: JMR]
    #10452869 - 06/04/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

^^^ and that's why there's no single best recipe. :laugh:

Everybody has an opinion, everybody has a theory. Unless and until you run side-by-side tests with an isolate, the data doesn't mean much anyway.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: JMR]
    #10452872 - 06/04/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

"Grains are a poor choice for bulks subs- because they are nutritious. They invite contamination. "

thanks. just the answer i was looking for.

in this recipe:
-6 cups coir
-4 cups composted cow manure
-6 cups vermiculite (fine grade)
-2 cups gypsum
-1 cup coffee grounds
-1 cup worm castings

one more quick question: aren't the manure, castings, and coffee grounds all nutritious? what is the differene between using these and say, grains? i hope i'm not threadjacking, just something i'm curious about.

Edited by apoonanor (06/04/09 10:15 AM)

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: apoonanor]
    #10452917 - 06/04/09 10:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Now, I'm just passing on what I've read, I haven't actually tried it.*
Poo, for example, has been digested once already. Although there's plenty of nutrition left, much has been removed. On the other hand, fresh, juicy grains, uncolonized by mycelium, are a huge feast to bacteria and molds that may enter. Poo is also, but less so.

Same with the other ingredients, all the way down the line. It's a race between mushroom mycelium and other organisms. You want to set up conditions which favor the right one.

*coir+coffee for me. Add verm, if you like.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: Doc_T]
    #10452945 - 06/04/09 10:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

here's my recipe, I've been using it for months:
3 bricks coco coir (6 gallons)
gallon or two of cow manure
2 ounces calcium carbonate
2 gallons of vermiculite
16 ounces karo syrup
8 ounces of instant coffee

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: ganjababy]
    #10452978 - 06/04/09 10:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Karo syrup and instant coffee in bulk subs? No foolin'?


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: Doc_T]
    #10454193 - 06/04/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Wow!!! Thanks for all these great responses. Based upon what you guys have posted I am going to increase the poo and decrease the verm and replace it with more coffee. Does coir replace verm in the fact that it reduces substrate compaction, cause I hear that composted cow manure can become very muddy and this is why I added the verm, also to absorb moisture to provide more flushes? Can I kick out the verm all together?


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: bootedboy]
    #10454579 - 06/04/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Keep some verm, it's a moisture reservoir and soil conditioner.
Maybe cut it back to 2 or 4 cups. Or not. :shrug: Whatever feels right.

Worm castings can get muddy too- you may want to mix those onto moistened verm like doing cakes, then mix that into your sub to help spread it out and bind it to the mix.

Edit- and don't go too crazy on the coffee. 10-20% by volume is pretty standard.


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: Doc_T]
    #10454783 - 06/04/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
Karo syrup and instant coffee in bulk subs? No foolin'?



Yup, I was skeptical at first but it works great. I haven't had any major contamination issues either.
Keep in mind I use 13 gallons of hot water to pasteurize my bulk.

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: ganjababy]
    #10498680 - 06/13/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

anyone else care to add their recipes?

Edited by ganjababy (06/13/09 08:20 AM)

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: ganjababy]
    #10513861 - 06/15/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This is what I use every time- I have only had one tub contaminate, and I was on vacation =/  (fyi I run 9 tubs at once)

this is my magic recipe- It is for 2 tubs with 5 to 6 jars of colonized WBS in each:

14 cups of cow crap
4-5 cups of verm
1 cup of coffee grounds
1/2 brick of coco coir
11 cups water
3 cups of brewed coffee

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: shagnito]
    #10513978 - 06/15/09 10:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

that's enough for two tubs?

That's only 2.25 gallons, and you use quart jars? That's less then a 1:1 ratio, how deep is your sub and how large are your tubs?

I use 6 to 8 gallons per tub and 1.5 to 2 gallons of spawn an a 105 quart rubbermaid

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: ganjababy]
    #10514112 - 06/15/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, I fill my 18 gallon monotubs up 5 inches each.  The coco coir really expands.  I almost always have a quart or so left over too, which I use for other projects, :thumbup:lol

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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: shagnito]
    #10514218 - 06/15/09 10:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, I have been looking for a thread like this for a while.:thumbup:


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Re: My bulk recipe [Re: bootedboy]
    #13039272 - 08/11/10 10:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Great thread...

I'm looking to do my first bulk and this is helpful - thanks everyone!!!

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