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Monotub question about light.
    #10421938 - 05/29/09 08:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I have a solid black tub, about 6 quarts ready to go and I'll be using coir substrate.

How should I let light in? Do I have to? For some reason I recall somebody saying you don't need to.

I don't know if I can really cut a square in the top and use Plexiglass. I know I'll be filling holes with polyfil, and that's all I have written down. I wrote my technique a while ago, and remember reading about how it shouldn't have light.. Lol.

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10421972 - 05/29/09 08:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Don't have to, but you should.

You can put press'n'seal over the top instead of the lid if you want.

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: Shroominit]
    #10422006 - 05/29/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.

The things that make them fruit are:
Fresh Air
Lower Humidity (only slightly)
Temperature drop (only slightly)

The light is only so they "know" which way is up. :smile:


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10422029 - 05/29/09 09:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I thought so..

Holes on top with more loose polyfil? Clear tape? Trying to use shit I already have haha.

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10422074 - 05/29/09 09:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Just saran wrap it if you can.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10422315 - 05/29/09 10:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.





I'd really love to hear RR on this one. I was reading through an old timer's notes (I think it was Agar) who said the idea that only a little bit of light so that they know where to go is bull-crap. The post was a long commentary on as much of RR's wisdom as possible if I remember right.

At any rate, I recently installed some florescent lights (6500 Kelvin as per RR's suggestion) to assist with some edibles that definitely flourish with more light. I am also going to inoculate a half a dozen quarts of rye tomorrow for a cube grow.  I am going to keep all things equal to my last cube grows.....except for the light. They are going to be sitting under the florescents for twelve on twelve off when it is time to fruit. I am eager to see what kind of a difference...if any it makes.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10430653 - 05/31/09 04:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Just saran wrap it if you can.




What do you mean?

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10430689 - 05/31/09 04:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I cut a hole in the top of my monotub and used duct tape to cover it with a cheap, clear plastic shower curtain. Works great, and cheaper than Plexiglass. I also use fluorescent lights.

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10431379 - 05/31/09 06:25 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Just saran wrap it if you can.




What do you mean?





Put saran wrap over the top of the tub...

Or you can cut the lid and find some plexiglass or something clear over it. Like a shower curtain as the previous poster suggested.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10431443 - 05/31/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.

The things that make them fruit are:
Fresh Air
Lower Humidity (only slightly)
Temperature drop (only slightly)

The light is only so they "know" which way is up. :smile:





I dont know what RR posts you have been reading, certainly not anything from the last 4-5 years maybe 10 years ago???

Pinning triggers:
Full colinisation
Fresh air exchange (Evap of moisture)
High Humidity
Light

Lowering humidity isnt one of them, which doesnt make sense any, mycelium needs humidity high right at the surface for knotting and pinning to occur. Even with a casing layer, i wouldnt be lowering humidity. 95% plus all the way through fruiting. with cubes anyway.

Mushrooms are phototropicl, which means they grow toward the light, but if you want great pinsets like you see now and then, your not going to get it without bright light in the daylight range, which can be indirect sunlight, or bright 6500k fluerescent.

Also, at a recent stamets conference (6 ways mushroooms can save the planet, i suggest you watch) Stamets suggested that while mushrooms dont use to grow like plants do, they use radiation and thats partially why when the light was blocked out by dust from metour crash, fungi survived


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10431580 - 05/31/09 07:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting.

I've always thought that they use light just as a "which way do I grow?" type of thing.

As far as humidity, I don't mean like low low :smile:. I meant a drop from 100% to 90%-95%, which is caused by the FAE (I think).

I also thought that cubes like to go from like 80F to 72-76F which isn't much of a drop, but still slightly. I thought that helps kick them into pinning mode.

Man... I'm way off it seems. :nonono:

Maybe I should just stick with giving advice about wood-lovers. I've learned much about them in the past year. :thumbup:


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10432033 - 05/31/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

mushroomhunter10 said:
The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.

The things that make them fruit are:
Fresh Air
Lower Humidity (only slightly)
Temperature drop (only slightly)

The light is only so they "know" which way is up. :smile:





I dont know what RR posts you have been reading, certainly not anything from the last 4-5 years maybe 10 years ago???

Pinning triggers:
Full colinisation
Fresh air exchange (Evap of moisture)
High Humidity
Light

Lowering humidity isnt one of them, which doesnt make sense any, mycelium needs humidity high right at the surface for knotting and pinning to occur. Even with a casing layer, i wouldnt be lowering humidity. 95% plus all the way through fruiting. with cubes anyway.

Mushrooms are phototropicl, which means they grow toward the light, but if you want great pinsets like you see now and then, your not going to get it without bright light in the daylight range, which can be indirect sunlight, or bright 6500k fluerescent.

Also, at a recent stamets conference (6 ways mushroooms can save the planet, i suggest you watch) Stamets suggested that while mushrooms dont use to grow like plants do, they use radiation and thats partially why when the light was blocked out by dust from metour crash, fungi survived




So.. Would you ductape a shitty showerhead curtain to the top, and then put it by/near a window and leave it there in my case? :P

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10432053 - 05/31/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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OutThisLife said:
Quote:

veda_sticks said:
Quote:

mushroomhunter10 said:
The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.

The things that make them fruit are:
Fresh Air
Lower Humidity (only slightly)
Temperature drop (only slightly)

The light is only so they "know" which way is up. :smile:





I dont know what RR posts you have been reading, certainly not anything from the last 4-5 years maybe 10 years ago???

Pinning triggers:
Full colinisation
Fresh air exchange (Evap of moisture)
High Humidity
Light

Lowering humidity isnt one of them, which doesnt make sense any, mycelium needs humidity high right at the surface for knotting and pinning to occur. Even with a casing layer, i wouldnt be lowering humidity. 95% plus all the way through fruiting. with cubes anyway.

Mushrooms are phototropicl, which means they grow toward the light, but if you want great pinsets like you see now and then, your not going to get it without bright light in the daylight range, which can be indirect sunlight, or bright 6500k fluerescent.

Also, at a recent stamets conference (6 ways mushroooms can save the planet, i suggest you watch) Stamets suggested that while mushrooms dont use to grow like plants do, they use radiation and thats partially why when the light was blocked out by dust from metour crash, fungi survived




So.. Would you ductape a shitty showerhead curtain to the top, and then put it by/near a window and leave it there in my case? :P



Just cyran wrap the top or put press n seal over it. no need to use plexiglass, its a waste. Make sure ur holes r at sub level. Yes it will work. 12/12 light cycle. some people go with 13/11.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #10432135 - 05/31/09 08:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Saran wrap the whole top as a replacement to the lid or a hole in the lid?

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: OutThisLife]
    #10432952 - 05/31/09 11:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Saran wrap the whole top as a replacement to the lid or a hole in the lid?




Replace the lid. Use Press'n'seal instead of saran wrap, it will stick MUCH better and it's sturdier.

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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: Shroominit]
    #10434310 - 06/01/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah it doesn't matter, just use something that the light can penetrate.

Any clear plastic will do just fine.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10434491 - 06/01/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The main reason from light is for them to have a direction to grow. They'll grow towards it. It's what I've gathered from RR's explanations.

The things that make them fruit are:
Fresh Air
Lower Humidity (only slightly)
Temperature drop (only slightly)

The light is only so they "know" which way is up. :smile:




You didn't get any of that from me.

Light needs to be very bright for best production.  Air currents and the force of gravity actually have a lot more to do with which direction they grow than light.

Temp drop is not a pinning trigger with tropical species.

Don't use a black tub for a fruiting chamber.  Performance will be mediocre at best.

Read the section on lighting at the bottom of the terrarium tek page.
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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10434509 - 06/01/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Man... I wonder where I read that. :shrug:

Didn't mean to quote you wrongly. Sorry.


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Re: Monotub question about light. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10442818 - 06/02/09 05:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Stamets suggested that while mushrooms dont use to grow like plants do, they use radiation and thats partially why when the light was blocked out by dust from metour crash, fungi survived




Cool thought. It is at leats a trail to follow. I sonder how much really hard science has been done on it. I am getting the impression that mycology is a pretty underdeveloped scientific field. At any rate, to reiterate it, the post I read (I think by Agar) said the idea that the only light mushrooms need is enough so that you can see them was a galactic load of bull-crap. I understand mushrooms are not photosynthetic. I however, am sure they must do better with more light...just like they do in nature.

Anyhoo, I am putting my money where my convictions lay and have just set up two 6500 kelvins (four bulbs). I will post about my mazatapec grow after it is done (it will be a while because my petri dishes are still colonizing). Everything else will be equal to my last mazatapec grow except for my prior, shitty lighting.


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