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caricapapaya
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10458751 - 06/05/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats awesome!
Good job!
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Neo Mithrandil
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Very good looking. It's funny they are so smooth still, while the original has these sorts of scales all over.
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Those scales develop, when the outer layer dries out and the tissue below keeps on growing. I think these grow in high humidity.
It's a pleasure to see how vigorous they grow and fruit, especially those mushrooms growing in clusters.
Carsten
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lipa
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: Mycelio]
#10459604 - 06/05/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have an outdoor mound culture grow going. Hopefully we will get to see the scales when they fruit. The progress outdoors looks good.
Most of the time I only observe the scales near the beach areas as a result of the sun hitting them during the day i belive. At the beach the are usually growing near the edge of the grass where the sand meets. The inland fruits sometimes have the scales but not many. These are usually found in parks in the grass mostly away from areas where there are lots of foot traffic.
Lipa
What i would really like to know is how deep their mycelium travels underground. I bet pretty deep.
Edited by lipa (06/05/09 12:08 PM)
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10460064 - 06/05/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aha, makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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lipa
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June 5th
June 6th morning
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Mycelio
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10461042 - 06/06/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Time to heat up the pan.
Now, after seeing those pictures, I want to get rid of all my lousy and inefficient cultures of A. bisporus...
Carsten
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Mephistophelian
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: Mycelio]
#10461314 - 06/06/09 02:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gorgeous..
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10461323 - 06/06/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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very nice lipa! ToxicMan IDed a mushroom i found as a. bernardii but mine has never shown any signs of pinning on agar or grain. my originals were found growing in old horse stalls.
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lipa
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Did you try to clone it or was it done from the spores collected from the specimen. I have cloned about 5or6 A. bernardii and they never came out good. The mycelium would get vigorous on the cloned plate and then slow to a stop on the next transfer like it had it's days. Spores and gill tissue does well so far.
Lipa
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Hotnuts
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10461994 - 06/06/09 04:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should be able to clone one of those mushrooms lipa with no problems. It should rip through a petri plate in no time. Nice work.
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waixingren
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10462130 - 06/06/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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it was a clone from inner cap tissue. all of my spore attempts failed to germinate. your mushroom looks very different than mine did. mine had a fairly even brown cap with some scales. i'll post pics in a growlog soon. i'll be expanding and fruiting it soon.
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lipa
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10473112 - 06/08/09 07:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10475857 - 06/09/09 06:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- cultivando en la miseria SuctoSpore® Pictorial Tek x7x_x7x@shroomery.org carl_jung_in_lsd@yahoo.com koh samui and oak ridge are my favourite strains
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: x7x_x7x]
#10475935 - 06/09/09 07:20 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very nice.
Ok, now for the taste: salty or not?
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lipa
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I chewed on a few pieces and they are very briny. What is odd about the grow is the specimens did not stain as much as the original or wild specimens I have collected in the past.
Lipa
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10476786 - 06/09/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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interesting..
so the briny taste is not due to salts in the substrate (coastal soils)
I wonder what compound it is that gives it that flavor?
anybody have any ideas? if its not from the substrate, it seems it has to be something the mushroom is producing.
I know from experience that nitrate salts can be very salty and I think they arent good to eat in quantity.
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Re: Agaricus bernardii [Re: lipa]
#10492326 - 06/12/09 01:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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lipa said: Most of the time I only observe the scales near the beach areas as a result of the sun hitting them during the day i belive. At the beach the are usually growing near the edge of the grass where the sand meets. The inland fruits sometimes have the scales but not many. These are usually found in parks in the grass mostly away from areas where there are lots of foot traffic.
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waixingren said: your mushroom looks very different than mine did. mine had a fairly even brown cap with some scales.
I looked at the entry for Agaricus bernardii in David Aurora's All That the Rain Promises, and More... mushroom field guide, and it had a note worth relating: "This mushroom is closely related to A. bitorquis, but reddens when cut and often has a scalier cap. A similar edible reddening species with brown fibers or scales on the cap (A. vaporarius?) is shown at the bottom of p. 117. Other red-stainers have a skirtlike ring and different habitat. See MD 322 for more information." (119) [my emphasis]
If you do not own the field guide All That the Rain Promises, and More... or the companion text Mushrooms Demystified, here are the entries for these species in Google Books:
ATRPM Agaricus bernardii p. 119 MD Agaricus bernardii p. 322 ATRPM Agaricus bitorquis p.121 MD Agaricus bitorquis p.321 ATRPM A. vaporarius p.117 [photo & passing mention only]
Hopefully this will help to shed some light on the matter. Perhaps you two were dealing with different species!
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lipa
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I am aware of these. I have not seen macro or micro shots of waixingren's collection.
Lipa
Edited by lipa (06/12/09 10:55 AM)
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