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OfflineJuicyColor
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Good Grow, Bad High
    #10412511 - 05/28/09 09:02 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys, First time post. Ive been surfing around this site for a while now and i have a scenario here that i cant figure out.  I purchased a couple of Hawaiian Syringes from Spores101. I let them colonize in my PF Tek Cakes at the proper heat, and i set up a shotgun FC. The cakes were dunked and rolled. The cakes fruited fast and had a great first flush, i think where i went wrong is how i dried them, i used the good old' Ronco Electric food dehydrator. It gets well above 120F which ive heard that above 105F can kill the active ingredients. I took 3 grams the first time and felt the "onset" of a mushroom trip but it quickly faded.

My questions are:
Anyone ever have problems with spores101...
Is the Hawaiian Strain not a very potent strain? (they disclose show potency on spores101)
Or could it be because my dumb ass dried them wrong? (Now im using a fan...)

Thanks for you input!

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412519 - 05/28/09 09:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

More likely the genetics of your particular spores.
Many of us use dehydrators.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412522 - 05/28/09 09:05 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

you killed all or most of the psilocybin and psilocin in your mushrooms, you now have dud shrooms from the food dehydrator, NO TEMPS OVER 100/40 degrees Fahrenheit/celcius

sorry dude, fan dry em next time


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Harlz]
    #10412536 - 05/28/09 09:10 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Harlz said:
you killed all or most of the psilocybin and psilocin in your mushrooms, you now have dud shrooms from the food dehydrator, NO TEMPS OVER 100/40 degrees Fahrenheit/celcius

sorry dude, fan dry em next time




Nonsense.  I've cooked them on the BBQ grill at 1200F and had great results.  Tastes good too. :laugh:  Lots of people boil them into tea as well.  There's no more than a ten percent reduction in actives, and it's worth that much sacrifice to avoid nausea and bad taste.

Multispore inoculation is a luck of the draw thing.  You could probably use that same syringe again and get a stellar result.
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412537 - 05/28/09 09:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

dont use heat when drying. im not even postive that heat actually subtracts from potency but i dont know why anyone would even risk it when it is just as easy to dry them in a cool dark place in front of a fan.

and if you didnt get a solid trip. then next time eat 5 grams. but keep in mind that mushrooms are not like lsd..their effects are way different. IMO
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Harlz]
    #10412541 - 05/28/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Why don't you try to fan dry your next flush and let us know if it was bad genetics or the dehydrator.

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412551 - 05/28/09 09:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

likely because of the heat they endured during drying. if your going to use a food dehydrator, you need to eithyer turn off the heat or disable the heating element.
i too have the ronco dehydrator, and i have to clip the wire going to the heating element before i use it.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412558 - 05/28/09 09:20 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

in my opinion there is a difference between heating the mushrooms to dry them and heating the mushrooms when they are in a soup or tea mix or chocolate. because when doing the latter you are releasing the active chemicals of the mushroom into the tea/soup whatever..so you are still getting all the potency..
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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: prismism]
    #10412675 - 05/28/09 09:58 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I dehydrate mine at 125-135f till cracker dry with no noticeable potency issues.

The main thing that determines potency is genetics.  When you're doing a multispore grow, it's like rolling the dice with genetics.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: prismism]
    #10412676 - 05/28/09 09:58 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Right on, i should have a few more flushes coming up in a couple of days, and i switched my drying method. I am using the trays/lid to the dehydrator with a fan underneath them. I have about 5 grams dried now. Im going to harvest my next flush and dry it, ill let you all know if its dud spores or not..
Anyone have any qualms with spores101?

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10412678 - 05/28/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The last syringe I ordered from 101 didnt even have spores in it.  So Yeah I have a qualm with them.  I only order from sporeworks now.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
    #10412839 - 05/28/09 10:52 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i think its a myth that a syringe needs to be dark. when i got my first one i was so excited and then flipped because it looked completely clear. i looked closer and saw tiny miniscule traces of particles. i used it and it worked casebook perfect. the other one that came w/ it was also totally clear except there were a few black clumps floating around (im gonna have to shake the crap out of that one.) i think you need a microscope to really be able to tell how many spores, ppm?, there are in solution. ive also heard that too dark of a syringe is also bad. dont know the reason for this.

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10412844 - 05/28/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Harlz said:
you killed all or most of the psilocybin and psilocin in your mushrooms, you now have dud shrooms from the food dehydrator, NO TEMPS OVER 100/40 degrees Fahrenheit/celcius

sorry dude, fan dry em next time




Nonsense.  I've cooked them on the BBQ grill at 1200F and had great results.  Tastes good too. :laugh:  Lots of people boil them into tea as well.  There's no more than a ten percent reduction in actives, and it's worth that much sacrifice to avoid nausea and bad taste.

Multispore inoculation is a luck of the draw thing.  You could probably use that same syringe again and get a stellar result.
RR



^^^Agreed. My dehydrator is always set to 145 degrees to get them done within 24hrs. Never noticed any issues ever.

Spores101 sucks. No doubt about it. Ralphster or Sporeworks only for me and mine.

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: chronosync]
    #10412874 - 05/28/09 11:01 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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i think its a myth that a syringe needs to be dark. when i got my first one i was so excited and then flipped because it looked completely clear. i looked closer and saw tiny miniscule traces of particles. i used it and it worked casebook perfect. the other one that came w/ it was also totally clear except there were a few black clumps floating around (im gonna have to shake the crap out of that one.) i think you need a microscope to really be able to tell how many spores, ppm?, there are in solution. ive also heard that too dark of a syringe is also bad. dont know the reason for this.





I inoculated like 10 different things (brf cakes, rye, wbs and several lc's) and none of them ever had any myc growth in them.  I was quite dissapointed.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
    #10412979 - 05/28/09 11:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely not a heat issue. I dry mine in a nesco dehydrator and it uses heat. Never had a problem with potency with any coming off the dehydrator. Let me ask you this. How many mushrooms did you eat to make up the 3 grams? If you ate 1 large shroom that made up 2 of those grams it could make a difference. Since you used multi spore its most likely genetics.

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: Spongiform]
    #10413009 - 05/28/09 11:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

@ spongiform

well fuck that. that blows. i would be so pissed. sorry. the above mentioned were from ralph. my point is that although they diddnt look heavy in spores and not very impressing looking, they still seem to be very active.

about the OP's question. noone seems to know why they diddnt kick his ass like they should. i guess there are too many variables to really figure out why. plus so many conflicting opinions!

genetics: multispore works fine just not ideal, or its a total crapshoot, you never know what youre going to get.

does heat affect potency: yeah, a little but who cares? or HEAT WILL KILL ALL ACTIVES!

i get so confused sometimes. i take every opinion with a grain of salt and the MOD's and TC's with alot less. sometimes none....

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: chronosync]
    #10413060 - 05/28/09 11:50 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Third post by RR.  Apparently people dont read.
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Nonsense.  I've cooked them on the BBQ grill at 1200F and had great results.  Tastes good too.  Lots of people boil them into tea as well.  There's no more than a ten percent reduction in actives, and it's worth that much sacrifice to avoid nausea and bad taste.

Multispore inoculation is a luck of the draw thing.  You could probably use that same syringe again and get a stellar result.
RR




8th Post seconding the fact that that heat doesn't kill off your actives enough to worry.  I also use a nesco for 24 hours at 120-135.

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I dehydrate mine at 125-135f till cracker dry with no noticeable potency issues.

The main thing that determines potency is genetics.  When you're doing a multispore grow, it's like rolling the dice with genetics.





Point is read before you post and make yourself look dumb for 2 reason one for not reading to see if the question was answered already and secondly for being wrong!!

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: novicemycology]
    #10413166 - 05/28/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I am just kind of banking on a heat issue. Ive heard mixed reactions... so ill just eat the control amount, 3 grams, off of the new drying system and see if that has any different effect. But that could also be a genetic thing too..
Now im just thinking out loud. All i really want is a good trip damnit!
Also, i am a noob, what is a better growing system other than multispore inoculation. Agar?  Also sounds like next spore purchase will not be from Spores101. They sent me one syringe that was 8cc not 10cc with kind of pissed me off.

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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10413214 - 05/28/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Don't automatically blame the dehydrator for potency loss. Genetics are obviously important, but proper storage is also key. You want the mushrooms completely dry and stored in a moisture free airtight container (like a jar) in a cool, dark place. Throwing a couple of silica packets in the container can't hurt either.


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Re: Good Grow, Bad High [Re: JuicyColor]
    #10413229 - 05/28/09 12:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I didnt know much about the multispore innoc genetic issue affecting potency, ill do some more reading on that one later.

Ive tended to notice as well that if it isnt the mushrooms specifically affecting the intensity of the trip, its the tripper.  Ive had an experience where the same batch of mushies one day was nothing but a body high and some giggles, and another day it was mind blowing.  And for both I ate about 3.5g and following my same ritual of doing tea, and not eating anything beforehand.

Any inights (if its not the cultivation process) for mental preparation to make the trips more consistent...or it could just be luck of the draw too?


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