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 Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases  [Re: learningtofly]
#10413571 - 05/28/09 01:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's been sited in the WallStreet Journal.
Link please? I didnt know that, i'd like to know more
It's not online. It's in the actual journal. You have to pick up the annual healthcare topics issue.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: gluke bastid]
#10413579 - 05/28/09 01:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Please explain to me why I should pay for your endless trips to the doctor for the sniffles. I keep seeing this "can't afford" shit but it is a fact that poor people are provided with health care in this country. The 50 million without insurance are not necessarily indigent but make the conscious decision to spend money on other things and gamble that they will have no health problems. When they lose that gamble it is tough shit. I fail to understand why a system (or lack of) that works for the vast majority should be vastly overhauled to accommodate the 15% stupid and/or greedy. The total cost will only go down in a government supplied system if provider pay is restricted (leading to fewer providers) or care is rationed. All any of the so-called reformers want to do is shift the burden of their health care costs to the same 5% that already pays most of the taxes.
You have access to nearly unlimited health resources in this country. All you have to do is pay for them.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: zappaisgod]
#10413673 - 05/28/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
You have access to nearly unlimited health resources in this country. All you have to do is pay for them.
Exactly. EXACTLY. And nobody wants to spend their own money.
Why would someone want to spend their own money when they could just spend someone elses?
It's like of like, if you go to an expensive restaurant, but you're paying, chances are you're going to be a little bit more mindfull of what you order.
But if SOMEONE ELSE is paying...then shit...get the fillet mignon.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10413776 - 05/28/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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you forgot case four:
hard working normally healthy guy goes into the ER for severe
abdominal pain, he's x-rayed, put on an EKG and give a few pills,
all of which are unnecessary and did nothing to aid in
diagnosis, he requests specific tests to be done and the staff
refuse insisting that they're the professionals and they know
best, the patient is released
the patient receives a bill for services, turns it into his
insurance company, the company rejects it claiming it's a
preexisting condition, yet the patient had never been treated
for anything other than a broken bone and stitches in the past
bills are resubmitted, again rejected claiming the procedures
were unnecessary, patient agreed and referred them to the
previous letter stating the procedures preformed were not needed
as they did nothing to diagnose or treat the ailment. company
rejected the claim again
bills resubmitted, again rejected
bills resubmitted, again rejected
bills resubmitted, again rejected
patient finally give up, pays out of his own pocket,
cancels insurance, says 'fuck doctards'
Case 5:
woman enters ER complaining of chest pains, difficulty
breathing, chronic cough and vomiting, tells attending physician
that she thinks she has pneumonia, normal tests run, x-rays,
etc.. doc says "bronchitis, take cough suppressant, get rest"
patient discharged, follows doctards advice, 2 days later
second admission to the ER, diagnosed with bacterial pneumonia
given room in ICU, resides there for a week before spending
another week in a regular room
not all ailments can be prevented, misdiagnosis is common,
rejection by insurance is also common, it's great that doctards
are eager to blame the patient for these issues with health
care, maybe if we'd stop allowing tards that attend med school
in guatemala to be licensed physicians in the US we could
eliminate some of these rising costs of health care, doctors
often blame it on things like malpractice insurance, well, the
solution is simple... dont fuck up because that's far cheaper
than paying higher rates and settlements from lawsuits
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Seuss]
#10413792 - 05/28/09 02:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much does it cost to exercise...
in those with a congenital problem that's gone undetected.. their lives
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10413937 - 05/28/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
hard working normally healthy guy goes into the ER for severe
abdominal pain, he's x-rayed, put on an EKG and give a few pills,
all of which are unnecessary and did nothing to aid in
diagnosis, he requests specific tests to be done and the staff
refuse insisting that they're the professionals and they know
best, the patient is released
You're right, all patients should be able to get all of the tests they request.
I'm sure that will do wonders in reducing health care costs.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10414019 - 05/28/09 03:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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not all ailments can be prevented,
Just the ones that take up the majority of medical expenses in this country....that's all.
It's not like doc's go up to little kids and scream at them for having cystic fibrosis.
But shit, i wouldn't think twice about lecturing some lazy fat bastard with no intent of exercising or quitting cigarettes.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10414137 - 05/28/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
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zappaisgod said:
You have access to nearly unlimited health resources in this country. All you have to do is pay for them.
Exactly. EXACTLY. And nobody wants to spend their own money.
Liquid smoke you had the opposite reaction to that than I did. Becuase its EXACTLY not true that "all you have to do is pay for them." That's bullshit and Zappa knows it. Anyone with a pre-existing condition is unable to buy their own insurance and that is precisely the point.
Any chronic illness? Pre-existing condition.
Saw a psychiatrist last year? Pre-existing condition.
High school athletic injury? Pre-existing condition.
Arthritis? Obesity? Family history of heart disease? Check. Check. Check. We are unable to approve your request at this time.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: gluke bastid]
#10414177 - 05/28/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't say you could buy insurance and make the other policy holders pay for it. I said, and let me make this clear, YOU CAN PAY FOR IT. Not insurance, TREATMENT. Whatever you want.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: gluke bastid]
#10414615 - 05/28/09 05:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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gluke bastid said:
Liquid smoke you had the opposite reaction to that than I did. Becuase its EXACTLY not true that "all you have to do is pay for them." That's bullshit and Zappa knows it. Anyone with a pre-existing condition is unable to buy their own insurance and that is precisely the point.
Any chronic illness? Pre-existing condition.
Saw a psychiatrist last year? Pre-existing condition.
High school athletic injury? Pre-existing condition.
Arthritis? Obesity? Family history of heart disease? Check. Check. Check. We are unable to approve your request at this time.
I think you're over-generalizing the policies of health insurance.
But aside from that, my reason why I agree with Zappa, is more along the lines of people who do get insured.
The bottom line is if people had access to health care the way many already do, they will abuse the hell out of it. It's easier to spend someone else's money.
And if so many funds weren't spent on those who abuse their bodies voluntarily, there would be a ton more people with more accessible coverage. Because the sheer allocation of funds which could be saved is staggering.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10414859 - 05/28/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
You're right, all patients should be able to get all of the tests they request.
I'm sure that will do wonders in reducing health care costs.
you mean $1000 for an EKG for stomach pains doest drive the
costs up? it's a belly ache, not a heart attack, care to explain
why frivolous tests are performed by doctors routinely?
probably wouldnt be so many malpractice suits if doctors listen
to patients
so lemme ask doc, dont people pay for insurance so that it
covers the medical bills, didnt insurance companies know that
there was a risk that people might actually use that insurance
for medical expenses, dont they also insist on you guys knocking
20% off and still try and screw you guys out of cash and give
you the runaround about paying... yep, blame the patient wise
enough to get coverage that makes sure you're paid frequently so
you can enjoy the lavish lifestyle you're accustomed to
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10414892 - 05/28/09 06:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
The bottom line is if people had access to health care the way many already do, they will abuse the hell out of it. It's easier to spend someone else's money.
but people pay premiums on policies so the insurance company
will pay the bills, it's their money they're spending or have
you forgotten that insurance isnt free for the whole nation
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And if so many funds weren't spent on those who abuse their bodies voluntarily, there would be a ton more people with more accessible coverage.
if doctors would stop killing patients maybe you guys wouldnt
have to pay so much for insurance and you could lower your rates
so that people could skip the insurance process on minor things
but malpractice and negligence run rampant, obviously this
problem falls on the shoulders of the doctors and not the patients
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10416706 - 05/28/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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LiquidSmoke said:
The bottom line is if people had access to health care the way many already do, they will abuse the hell out of it. It's easier to spend someone else's money.
but people pay premiums on policies so the insurance company
will pay the bills, it's their money they're spending or have
you forgotten that insurance isnt free for the whole nation
The premiums people pay aren't nearly close to the expenses most incure when seeking health care.
Which is why, as I said earlier, it's always easier to spend someone else's money. Especially if you're a fat lazy fuck with no sense of self maintenance.
Nobody's health insurance premium reaches the actual costs that their services intail.
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if doctors would stop killing patients maybe you guys wouldnt
have to pay so much for insurance and you could lower your rates
so that people could skip the insurance process on minor things
but malpractice and negligence run rampant, obviously this
problem falls on the shoulders of the doctors and not the patients
You fail to even realize where the majority of medical expenses come from. You're too busy ragging on doctards. Which is funny considering you think it's a good idea for patients to be able to get any test they request.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10416740 - 05/28/09 10:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
you mean $1000 for an EKG for stomach pains doest drive the
costs up? it's a belly ache, not a heart attack, care to explain
why frivolous tests are performed by doctors routinely?
probably wouldnt be so many malpractice suits if doctors listen
to patients
You're right, because patients know so much more than doctors. Especially about diagnostic tests.
I think patients should be able to get whatever tests they want. Because wikipedia told them so.
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so lemme ask doc, dont people pay for insurance so that it
covers the medical bills, didnt insurance companies know that
there was a risk that people might actually use that insurance
for medical expenses, dont they also insist on you guys knocking
20% off and still try and screw you guys out of cash and give
you the runaround about paying... yep, blame the patient wise
enough to get coverage that makes sure you're paid frequently so
you can enjoy the lavish lifestyle you're accustomed to
Once again, you're too busy ragging on doctors to even try to understand where the great majority of medical expenses come from.
It comes from treating fat lazy Americans who use medical treatment as a safety net for their own bodily neglect.
Hyptension, heart disease, diabetes, are by far the most prevalant ailments in this country, all of which is preventable for the majority of the population. It is the treatment of these chronic conditions which take up the majority of medical expenses in this country. Not malpractice premiums, and not evil greedy doctors, which there are alot of.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10417135 - 05/28/09 11:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
Nobody's health insurance premium reaches the actual costs that their services intail.
my premiums have exceeded it in a single year, since I've been
to a doctor only twice in that time and the second visit I ended
up paying out of my own pocket. this is the case for many
people, I'm sure you'll discover that most people with insurance
rarely have doctor visits
you're implying that everyone with insurance will have $300k in
cancer treatments and surgeries and what ever else goes on in
hospitals, the vast majority rarely use it, maybe the check ups
every few years, we hear Obama on TV referring to the nflated
figure of 46million without health care, well shit, that's 15%
if the nation which means that the other 85% of the country are
smoking with COPD in their hospital beds, eating fatty foods
while you're defibing him and sucking booze during the liver
transplant and all that because they have health care
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You fail to even realize where the majority of medical expenses come from. You're too busy ragging on doctards. Which is funny considering you think it's a good idea for patients to be able to get any test they request.
$30/asprin
$700+/day hospital room
$100+/hr for docs pay
$700bn for necessary and unnecessary tests ordered by doctors
$100bn/yr in malpractice lawsuits
$300bn/yr in wrongful death suits
$60bn/yr for 'preemptive' bypass surgery
"well, we've x-rayed your wallet and you're due for a heart
attack, we'll do a triple bypass today and may postpone the
coronary for a couple weeks but first we want to test the
strength of your heart by feeding you this, your heart will
expand like a balloon causing it to weaken and if you're lucky,
it wont explode, typical side effects are weak heart, heart
attack and death"
we understand how difficult it is for the medical profession to
realize that they arent treating every person in the nation
while the vast majority carry insurance, it's so much easier to
blame the patient as opposed to bearing a portion of that
burden, to what should we attribute the spike in medical costs
since the insurance companies are paying for that 85% of the
population that you're treating, let us know why many insurance
companies are abandoning medical coverage
seems the lawyers have a great explanation
http://www.nclawyersweekly.com/medical.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52310,00.html
now given that doctors kill 200k patients per year through
negligence, I'd think doctors would like to listen to their
patients, when someone says 'hey, the problem is in my testes,
not my head' a doctor should investigate in the general region,
maybe aim for the thigh and they'll get lucky of course it wont
be long before modern medicine has killed all their patients and
medical prices can come back down
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10417354 - 05/29/09 12:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
my premiums have exceeded it in a single year, since I've been
to a doctor only twice in that time and the second visit I ended
up paying out of my own pocket. this is the case for many
people, I'm sure you'll discover that most people with insurance
rarely have doctor visits
you're implying that everyone with insurance will have $300k in
cancer treatments and surgeries and what ever else goes on in
hospitals, the vast majority rarely use it, maybe the check ups
every few years, we hear Obama on TV referring to the nflated
figure of 46million without health care, well shit, that's 15%
if the nation which means that the other 85% of the country are
smoking with COPD in their hospital beds, eating fatty foods
while you're defibing him and sucking booze during the liver
transplant and all that because they have health care
Some people pay for insurance, and others suck up their resources for conditions which they could have prevented to begin with by laying off the big macs and marlboros.
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$30/asprin
$700+/day hospital room
$100+/hr for docs pay
$700bn for necessary and unnecessary tests ordered by doctors
$100bn/yr in malpractice lawsuits
$300bn/yr in wrongful death suits
$60bn/yr for 'preemptive' bypass surgery
The biggest statistic on there is pretty misleading
The expenses of so called "unnecessary tests" were deemed as any test which didn't indicate the conclusive diagnosis. Which means that statistic includes all precautionary and rule-out tests performed on patients.
Lets look at just ONE of the major preventable diseases that rid this country.
Diabetes,
132 billion/yr in economic expense
91.8 billion/yr in direct medical costs
23 billion/yr in chronic complications of DM
24.5 billion/yr in pharmaceutical costs
44.1 billion/yr in increased prevalance of general medcal conditions due to DM.
Lets look at obesity.
$92.6 billion/yr on direct medical expenses.
and another $75 billion on treatment of related cormorbidities.
Recorded preventable forms of cancer? around 90% of all lung cancer cases.
$190 Billion a yr
Coronary Artery disease, another illness predominant in this country, yet also very much preventable. The majority of etiologies of CAD are preventable lifestyle practices.
$142 Billion a yr
Strokes, hyptetension, osteoporosis
$127 Billion a yr
I haven't even began mentioning all the maintenance care for chronic alcoholics, asthma induced smokers, dialysis, and pretty much all other forms of cancer whose risk increases with smoking/drinking/being a fatass.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10418077 - 05/29/09 06:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> In no other country in this world is obesity and diabetes the leading causes of illness for the whole population.
Mexico, the UK, Slovakia, Greece, Australia, and New Zealand are all pretty close to the US with respect to obesity rates.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#10421039 - 05/29/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
Some people pay for insurance, and others suck up their resources for conditions which they could have prevented to begin with by laying off the big macs and marlboros.
ok, so all those insured people in your 3 cases arent insured?
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The expenses of so called "unnecessary tests" were deemed as any test which didn't indicate the conclusive diagnosis. Which means that statistic includes all precautionary and rule-out tests performed on patients.
precautionary tests, like EKG for pain in the gut, how many
people having a heart attack come in complaining of pain in
their lower abdomen or x-rays to determine if the patient
swallowed a matchbox car... well, those certainly get ruled out
and could have been if the doctor had asked a few basic questions
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Lets look at just ONE of the major preventable diseases that rid this country.
Diabetes,
132 billion/yr in economic expense
91.8 billion/yr in direct medical costs
23 billion/yr in chronic complications of DM
24.5 billion/yr in pharmaceutical costs
44.1 billion/yr in increased prevalance of general medcal conditions due to DM.
which for most people is handled by insurance, you know, that
stuff people paid for to cover such things, it's not as if all
this comes out of treasury coffers. Insurance companies know
there's a risk, they know that most people live an unhealthy
lifestyle, the folks at the FDA allow for foods to be loaded
with crap like high fructose corn syrup that aid in boosting the
triglycerides, lead to liver and heart damage, obesity and
diabetes. HFCS also suppresses the feeling of fullness... to be
preventable everything someone eats has to be changed, no more
processed foods because almost everything contains it, maybe
it's the physicians duty to step forward and speak out against
these things... or would that cut into the business too much
you ready to plant your garden and raise your own beef
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Lets look at obesity.
$92.6 billion/yr on direct medical expenses.
and another $75 billion on treatment of related cormorbidities.
Coronary Artery disease, another illness predominant in this country, yet also very much preventable. The majority of etiologies of CAD are preventable lifestyle practices.
sure, lets look, lets look also at the drug companies when we do
so, the FDA approves additives and ingredients in foods that
help promote these conditions, hydrogenated and brominated oils,
HFCS, aspartame, sucralose, BHA, MSG, acesulfame-K to name a few
and all in violation of the Delaney Clause of the Food Additives
Amendment... what makes it more interesting is that all these
things were developed by guys called doctors in laboratories
around the country, just like the guys that develop the
worthless drugs the FDA has approved for treating the ailments,
drugs liek 'cholesterol lowering' Vytorin which has been proven
not to do anything, surely these doctard developed drugs and
food additives were tested by other doctards before being
approved for use and prescription to the general public
I'm seeing far too many people with degrees that are assisting
these people with poor health get to that point and stay there
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424987 - 05/30/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone needs some health care at some point, self responsibility can only be taken so far. There are many different examples whether someone has been in a self induced accident or has had a past of poor health choices catch up with them, or a thousand different other cases where someone could potentially argue that they are essentially just self induced and a drain on the already over-stretched medical budget and staff.
Perhaps normalizing suicide within society would be a more acceptable option. Or perhaps offering instead a more accessible mental health program for people who feel they have problems with addiction or emotional issues that cause them to be so self destructive.
The solution really depends on your level of understanding and empathy and that of the society you live in, and its been a prevalent issue for a long time in many nations before.
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Re: My U.S. Health Care rant, 3 cases [Re: Irdamage]
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Giving of your own to charity is evidence of empathy. Plundering other people's bank accounts to reward morons is not.
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