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The Twelve Initations of Love
    #1040755 - 11/10/02 01:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

(WARNING! The following post contains references to astrological material that may not be suitable for the rational, scientific mind.)

In each of the following experiences, man or woman is fully capable of giving and teaching others the first quality, but for the personality to learn the second quality is a struggle. When one's understanding of this second quality equals that of the first, he or she has then achieved mastery of a particular Sun Sign. The soul must pass more than once through the first six, self-expressive Initations of Love as:

Aries - the infant
key phrase - "I am"
To teach that love is innocence
And learn that love is trust.

Taurus - the baby
key phrase - "I have"
To teach that love is patience
And learn that love is forgiveness.

Gemini - the child
key phrase - "I think"
To teach that love is awareness
And learn that love is feeling.

Cancer - the adolescent
key phrase - "I feel"
To teach that love is devotion
And learn that love is freedom.

Leo - the teenager
key phrase - "I will"
To teach that love is ecstasy
And learn that love is humility.

Virgo - the adult
key phrase - "I analyze"
To teach that love is pure
And learn that love is fulfillment.

After achieving emotional maturity in these first six stages of development, man and woman must then pass through love's final six, self reflective Initiations to discover its deeper spiritual meaning in:

Libra - marriage
key phrase - "I balance"
To teach that love is beauty
And learn that love is harmony.

Scorpio - sex
key phrase - "I desire"
To teach that love is passion
And learn that love is surrender.

Sagitarrius - knowledge
key phrase - "I see"
To teach that love is honesty
And learn that love is loyalty.

Capricorn - experience
key phrase - "I use"
To teach that love is wisdom
And learn that love is unselfish.

Aquarius - idealism
key phrase - "I know"
To teach that love is tolerance
And learn that love is Oneness.

Pisces - submission
key phrase - "I believe"
To teach that love is compassion
And learn that love is ALL

and so to realize at last that

Love Is Eternal


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1040953 - 11/10/02 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I know
{edit: To teach that love is tolerance
And learn that love is Oneness.}

Yep that is why I am here. Still working on that whole oneness thing but I'm getting there.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1041826 - 11/10/02 10:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i don't believe in that but the intentions are good. i don't see why anyone has to go through 12 steps to be able to really love.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: chodamunky]
    #1041842 - 11/10/02 10:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It's about realizing different aspects of love...

Are you trying to say that everyone you know, knows the full meaning of love, and not just different aspects of it? Love is different things to different people, because everyone is on a different part of the same path.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1042053 - 11/11/02 12:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for sharing information and getting it out to people who may have not heard or come across what you have. i really liked that post. i mean do you think its a step by step process? from my viewpoint an experience its been more of some kind of blender with all these pieces spinning around and mixing themselves up, but come to realize all these things go together and understand the aspects of love. theres a lot that can be said about that. and everything really lol.  :smile:


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1042162 - 11/11/02 01:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with you in that it is a blending process, though one that follows patterns, just like everything else. Regardless of believing in astrology, anyone can recognize that all known things in the universe move in patterns or cycles. And by recognizing and recording these patterns, you can reasonably predict different stages a particular thing will go through.

I do believe the phrase "as below, so above" holds truth; that the phases the planets, moons, stars, etc go through affect humans in more ways than we suspect. One obvious way is seasonal changes... this affects the entire ecosystem of the Earth, including us. The phase the moon is in directly affects the tides, plants, and animals. These are just the "proven" ways that astrophysical bodies affect us... What about less definable areas, like consciousness?


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1042200 - 11/11/02 02:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Astrologist - the charlatan
key phrase - "Believe me"
To teach that knowledge is not parroting
And learn that teaching is sacred.



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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1042683 - 11/11/02 09:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That's funny, I've never heard an astrologer use the phrase "believe me"... if you are commenting on them implying that their beliefs are true, well that's not much different than say, a scientist, now is it?


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1042852 - 11/11/02 10:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Charging money for a phoney reading certainly requires the client to believe the Astrologer.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1043400 - 11/11/02 02:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if you are commenting on them implying that their beliefs are true, well that's not much different than say, a scientist, now is it?

Are you trying to say that "the practice of astrology" = "the science of astrology"?
I just don't see how that's valid.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Sclorch]
    #1044684 - 11/11/02 10:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1044697 - 11/11/02 10:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Are you trying to say that everyone you know, knows the full meaning of love, and not just different aspects of it?

i am cetainly not, i don't think i know anybody who can truly love (myself included) because all I see is people "loving" each other and things with fear of loss, insecurities, and dependance/attachements. There was one time in my entire life where I truly loved, but it wasn't a person or thing. it was life itself. That moment is gone now, but I know i can get it back if I let go of some certain things mentioned above.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1044715 - 11/11/02 10:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Charging money for a phoney reading certainly requires the client to believe the Astrologer.

A "phoney reading" is your opinion, not necessarily the theoretical client's.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1044726 - 11/11/02 10:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

there is one all encompassing pattern that underlies us all it is what connects us together it is the yin and yang. the tao. like water we are all connected by a hydrogen bond. i had this dream where my friends were sucked into cigar tubes by my friend and they were sliding around on the hood of the car, we got to a grocery store and i opened the lid and this toilet roll popped out and then my friend. and i had this vision in my head of the symbol H and all these undescernable symbols, and heard this voice or something it said Hydrogen is the key to everything all problems. If you understand the dynamics of Hydrogen it is the base form for all other elements on the periodic chart. Early in the formation of galaxies or even before that dust cloud it was mainly hydrogen and helium He is just an extension of H. The fusion of light and energy combined fused the lesser elements like iron and silicon and carbon and so on. the first DNA was created by the fusion of hydrogen particles in the upper atmosphere. the first self replicating molecules. I dont think its just about seeing patterns its spliiting them into arrays and applying them to other arrays which solve your problem. I had taken shrooms one night and i realized that philosophers and all these people always asking questions and never getting anywhere but the answer itself lies in Just Greater questions and the answers in even more questions, this is science and this is life. We are caught in a color wheel cycle, because of our position in our solar system and the fact that we dont have a binary star system we can sustain life. How we live so dualisticly must be in the midst of a cycle, each of those signs is just another place on the color wheel, hence the hues of seasons. Astrology is just a simple way of applying universal patterns to our species. Theres a lot we dont know about a lot of things, theres way too many things to take in to try to solve all your answers. Ive resorted just being a permanent sponge and being squeezed whenever i need to try and solve something. not the best method but im always trying make my system of thinking more efficient. On your question about less definable areas like conciousness i would have to say its just like fuzz on a television screen or an untuned channel. being on shrooms the only time i have been on shrooms i realize were just fucking tuners of a huge massive radio broadcasting the cosmic signal. call it tao god whatever. but all of our perceptions and our tunes are off or at least arent interacting with one another. we have to eventually collectively tune in to this, or we as a race wont be free. but im hopeful, that is unless we dont kill ourselves first. Astrology is just a means for us to help make out some kind of sense of where we are hence the difference in all our birthdays. we werent all born on the same day we are like colors in the sky :smile: and each color is only giving us a little clue to the bigger picture. and my theory my belief is that black and white form the basis for all other colors, colors fall into that void and non void that exists between black and white. we percieve the different patterns of white interdesperesed in darkness and we note these variations as colors. "thats my story and im sticking to it" unless you got some cosmic paint thinner for me  :frown: mine arent turning out so well. eventually... eventually...


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Adamist]
    #1045188 - 11/12/02 01:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Not opinion at all. No astrologer's work stands up to any kind of scrutiny. I would say about 1/12 could guess my sign after 4000 posts.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1045231 - 11/12/02 01:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'd bet money you're right.

Is an astrologist the same as a psychic?  My grandmother was one of the best psychics there ever was.  She lived in a small town, where it was easy to pick up all the local gossip.  When people she knew came to see her (all of her clients were locals), she'd just tell them about the things she picked up through her gossip.  People were very impressed with her "psychic" abilities!  :grin:   


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045248 - 11/12/02 01:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Careful Blue! You will make a lot of enemies here with that debunking talk. Make up stuff about auras, vortices, colored lights, and energy patterns and you will become one of the herd.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1045265 - 11/12/02 01:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What, you mean this is a "philosophy" forum, and not a "logic" forum???  :wink: 

Edit:  I guess I should have read the disclaimer at the beginning of the thread.


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1045861 - 11/12/02 11:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Not opinion at all. No astrologer's work stands up to any kind of scrutiny.

Your ego is only absolute truth for you, sir. To me, it's still opinion.  :tongue: 


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Re: The Twelve Initations of Love [Re: Swami]
    #1045865 - 11/12/02 11:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Careful Blue! You will make a lot of enemies here with that debunking talk.

What debunking talk? All I read was something about Blue's phoney psychic grandma.


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