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Fish Emulsion
    #10401142 - 05/26/09 09:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Has anyone had any experience with this in their mushroom endeavours? I'm considering using it for some experiments I'm working on and wondered about its NPK rating 5-2-2 (or 5-1-1 depending where you look). I'm not on the up & up as far as your NPK needs for mushrooms (among other nutrients) but thought it would be a useful addition to the mix if it wasn't too hot.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10401149 - 05/26/09 09:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Mushrooms are fungus.

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10401170 - 05/26/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder if you could add a bit of FE to the hot water bath when pasteurizing straw.  It might be a bitch inoculating and packing that straw in buckets as that emulsion is some stinky shit.  I have some so might have to do a small batch as an experiment.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10401196 - 05/26/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Mushrooms are fungus.

:shrug:




You don't say...:tongue:

Lokel, my thoughts are in regards to biochar/charcoal inoculation using fish immulsion among other nutrients. I know that there is at least a 5-7% water soluble rate for the Nitrogen and a low 2% of the remaining nutrients...so its not a direct nutrient additive as it is a secondary form.

Experimenting...experimenting...


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10401465 - 05/26/09 11:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

Don't use emulsion.  Use hydrolyzed fish instead.  "Neptune's Harest" makes excellent cold processed (<90F), enzymatically  digested hydrolyzed fish.  H.fish still has the oils (lipids) and proteins, both required by mycelium.  Emulsion has neither.

Hydrolyzed fish is used when culturing fungal microbes, they utilize the oils and protein.

Emulsion should be banned in my opinion.

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10401477 - 05/26/09 11:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hydrolyzed fish eh? I'll have to do some hunting around for that...


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10401550 - 05/26/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Where do you live? 

It is found in any 'hydro' shop.  Get the Neptune's Harvest.  I know the owner, a great guy and his product is one of the best.  I have spoken to him at length on his process.  You can order it online too.  It's very inexpensive. 

He makes another product you may want to try, a hydrolyzed fish and kelp extract mix.  Kelp extract can be very beneficial to many edible fungi.  There are many studies on the benefits from the PGRs and potassium.  Though cytokinins have been shown to slow mycelial growth in some species.

FWIW:  I make my own hydrolyzed fish at home.  Its very easy and inexpensive but smelly!


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: LokelYokel]
    #10401574 - 05/26/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

Quote:

LokelYokel said:
I wonder if you could add a bit of FE to the hot water bath when pasteurizing straw.  It might be a bitch inoculating and packing that straw in buckets as that emulsion is some stinky shit.  I have some so might have to do a small batch as an experiment.




I add 3 ml hydrolyzed fish per gallon when soaking and boiling my rye spawn.  I also add 3 ml kelp extract (little cytokinin, "kelpak") among other goodies.

I also add the same when moistening my bulk sub to field capacity...among other goodies I add to the water.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10402246 - 05/26/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

As was previously stated I would be careful with the hydrolyzed fish. I would suggest not using it if you are planning on growing these in your house, as it will smell like you're living on whore island if you leave it out.  I guess it wouldn't matter if it were outside though.

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Therian]
    #10403490 - 05/26/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

Commercial hydrolyzed fish like Neptune's Harvest has very little odor but it's not foul.  Homemade h.fish can smell bad and so does emulsion.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10403505 - 05/26/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well that and...if used in a grain soak or biochar applications...there's no smell related.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10403665 - 05/26/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

Yea biochar is often soaked in a nitrogen rich water.  Hydrolyzed fish is perfect.  Did you make you own biochar?  I have produced my own via pyrothsais(sp?), building the burner is cheap and easy and almost carbon neutral :smile:

I use, and have read many studies also using rice hulls.  I have used bokashi which is wheat bran infused with AEM (Actived Effective Microorganisms).  Using bokashi is good because you get millions of microbes in the biochar, they will help feed the mycelium.

One thing I love about using rice hulls or what bran (bokashi) is it only takes a very short time to produce.  That means a lower carbon footprint :smile:

How do you make biochar?  I am very interested to learn and talk with you about it.  Maybe not in this thread?  Thanks!


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10403702 - 05/26/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ya...I'll be doing up a thread of my Biochar/Charcoal experiments as soon as it gets drier out so I can make up my batches to toy with...:grin:


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10403715 - 05/26/09 07:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have links or info for plans for the burner you use?  Or are you using an open pit?  I can give you a great link for the burner I use if you'd like to read about it.

Did you read about the kiwi who is using a solar powered microwave to create essentially carbon neutral biochar on a commercial scale?  Pretty neat but I think the technology need to mature before it's really a good option.

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10403741 - 05/26/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

No, I have a double barrel retort method. Though a solar option would be fantastic way to do it if you can reach the proper temperatures. I have a list of places I've been digging into...great place is:

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/makingcharcoal

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http://biochar.pbworks.com/


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10403797 - 05/26/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Nice. :thumbup:

EDIT:  Never mind, I see you are using the method I do.  Cool.

Here is a great forum dediced to terra preta, tons of info and good people:
http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/


Here's a great thread: "CONTENTS for T.P. Parent Thread which started it all"
http://hypography.com/forums/terra-preta/14448-contents-t-p-parent-thread-started.html




Happy Charring! :smile:


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Livingston]
    #10403815 - 05/26/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

That's the one I was referring to. :wink: The double barrel that is.


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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Therian]
    #11207231 - 10/08/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

As far as how bad the bad smell of the H. fish goes, i second that notion. If you use the H. fish + seaweed as an additive it will make the entire room smell like a dog fart!
but if you put your tray into another sealed container until full colonization you wont have to worry about airing out your area so you don't gag on the air!

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #11207642 - 10/08/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mephistophelian said:
Has anyone had any experience with this in their mushroom endeavours? I'm considering using it for some experiments I'm working on and wondered about its NPK rating 5-2-2 (or 5-1-1 depending where you look). I'm not on the up & up as far as your NPK needs for mushrooms (among other nutrients) but thought it would be a useful addition to the mix if it wasn't too hot.




I don't know about that, but I had a girlfriend who was a disgruntled nanny who used to put a few drops of fish emulsion  daily in her employer's shoes.  That lady of the house never figured it out, but she saw a lot of Doctors.:rofl2:

In stark contrast to my own saintly innocence...the ones I date are always vicious.  Don't piss 'em off.

Jef

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Re: Fish Emulsion [Re: Jef]
    #11207761 - 10/08/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jef said:

I don't know about that, but I had a girlfriend who was a disgruntled nanny who used to put a few drops of fish emulsion  daily in her employer's shoes.  That lady of the house never figured it out, but she saw a lot of Doctors.:rofl2:

In stark contrast to my own saintly innocence...the ones I date are always vicious.  Don't piss 'em off.

Jef




I really have no idea what you guys are talking about in this thread, but what Jef said is hilarious haha.

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