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#10398579 - 05/25/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welp I have found atlantis, weilii and another active species in the same area and was wondering thru today when i came across one single specimen that does not resemble any of them. Definate bluing as you can see but a white cap color and skinny stipe. Not a weilii but could be a galindii. Any comments from the knowledgables here would be encouraged.
 

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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398624 - 05/25/09 09:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like a heavily bluing Panaeolus cinctulus to me 
found in grass I'm assuming?
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398638 - 05/25/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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What colour is the spore deposit? inski.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398645 - 05/25/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like a panaelous species to me too
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Beege]
#10398647 - 05/25/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Beege said: looks like a heavily bluing Panaeolus cinctulus to me 
found in grass I'm assuming?
yeah me too, deff not Ps. galindoi (galindii)
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purple spore deposit and its not a pan, i just picked a shit load yesterday and its definately not the same mushroom. the cap was more caramel colored before discoloring to that pale shade after i picked it.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398673 - 05/25/09 09:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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found in clover along a flat flood plain type area right near where i found atlantis and weilii last year.
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looks like another intense bluing pan sub, it seems just this year they have been popping up everywhere.
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that is not a paneolus most likely a psilocybe , look the purple gill not black and the white edge of the gill common on many caerulescen psilocybe , for me it fit of the weilli variation but send to wm for clarification
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398694 - 05/25/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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it would have been cool to see a pic of this one in its natural habitat, can you get a pic of the spore print?
what was the habitat like, describe in detail.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398726 - 05/25/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Highly recommend discussing w/Workman via PM.
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I have pics of the mushroom before i picked it and the habitat where i picked, but there on my camera phone and not the greatest. However ill post them anyways. actually its not that bad of a picture.
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woops 
awesome find though
I thought the gills looked a little weird for Panaeolus...
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398740 - 05/25/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i also notice the floccose stems similar as weillii, this ornamentacion can be erase by handling ,but for sure psilocybe, worth a deep investigation , how certain you are you found atlantis since ,many atlantis finds are in fact galindoi , will be cool . in my area where i find villarealae and caerulescens and other that look similar they used to fade sometimes not always to a pale color as your caps.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: cactu]
#10398751 - 05/25/09 09:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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pretty sure they were a bit fatter stiped than the galindoi from what ive seen but not 100 percent. I found 4 total so it wasnt alot but i hope to find them again this year.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10398763 - 05/25/09 09:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice find for sure  i just notice your habitad picture and the mushroom is behind those leaves good eye ..;)
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Re: unknown active today [Re: cactu]
#10398779 - 05/25/09 09:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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This one reminds me of Psilocybe aucklandii, especially the stipe! inski.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Beege]
#10398780 - 05/25/09 09:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: unknown active today [Re: HerbBaker]
#10398790 - 05/25/09 09:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice find! Any way you can get a spore print?
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10400362 - 05/26/09 04:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, the way the stipe is splitting, the colours, the gills... All very Psilocybe-like. Definitely not a Panaeolus.
I have no idea what that is! You should definitely dry it and send small pieces out to those with microscopes.
Awesome find!
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Re: unknown active today [Re: cactu]
#10400761 - 05/26/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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cactu said: that is not a paneolus most likely a psilocybe , look the purple gill not black and the white edge of the gill common on many caerulescen psilocybe , for me it fit of the weilli variation but send to wm for clarification
I was just agreeing with beege that it looked like a pan thats all.
I can deff see how some might say pan because of the dark areas of the gills and the cracking of the cap.
Not galindii as stated above though, very interesting phish, awesome find i cant wait to find out what this one is.
There is one other species that grows in GA and is very rare, I cant think of it off the top of my head but it might be that, I know several hunters who have tried hunting it, LK was one of them.
Give me a min to find the info on it.
Oh yeah, here is Ps. galindoi (galindii) for comparison.
Remember when I told you they had very long stipes, the one pictured was 7.2" long.


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P. galindoi caps only get about 2cm max. i dont think this is an option.
The time of year and location points to P. weilli, the next closet mushroom would be Psilocybe caerulescens var. caerulescens.
Ive noticed the caps on Psilocybe caerulescens dont seem quite as thick as weilli.
It would be worth sending this one out for confirmation.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: HerbBaker]
#10400972 - 05/26/09 09:19 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i was not saying galindii was an option, i had spoken with phish earlier before he posted this, and he thought they might have been galindii, thats all.
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Yeah, i got that.
Psilocybe caerulescens is considered one of the more common Psilocybe in Mexico, it wouldnt be unusual to see it more often in the SE, although its appearance would be a little earlier than usual.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: HerbBaker]
#10401081 - 05/26/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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warriorsoul said: Yeah, i got that.
Psilocybe caerulescens is considered one of the more common Psilocybe in Mexico, it wouldnt be unusual to see it more often in the SE, although its appearance would be a little earlier than usual.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10401836 - 05/26/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very interesting. This could be the same as that one collection that Lizard King made that didn't appear to fit atlantis or "galindii". It was very pale and is featured on that side by side picture of the 4 species including weilii by LK. It was never examined microscopically. Save that specimen!
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#10403709 - 05/26/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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specimen has been quick dried and in a storage container. Ill be happy to send samples to whome ever wants to recieve them. Just remember i only found one and just let me know how i should section it for you. Exciting stuff, Ill have to go back and see if there are anymore soon due to the constant moisture weve been getting. Workman this specimen could be from the same place lizard king found some of those in that picture. I know i either found atlantis or galindoi last year 20 feet from where this one was found but its definitely different ovbiously.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10405480 - 05/27/09 12:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Found the Lizard King picture.

Ignore the original labels.
From left to right: Unknown close to your collection Psilocybe galindoi-like (not atlantis as labeled) Psilocybe atlantis Psilocybe weilii
Close ups of unknown species
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#10405640 - 05/27/09 12:55 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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damn that picture is badass
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#10405676 - 05/27/09 01:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love the rainy table top. Totally explains the abundance of Psilocybe species in the area.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: CureCat]
#10410185 - 05/27/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok so i really think this one could be it, i didnt see the 2nd pic has twisting in the stem thats one thing i noticed on this one. Plus you can see the gills clearly like in those pics thru the cap looking almost transparent
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10506458 - 06/14/09 07:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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sorry its been so long but i am finally getting around to sending this out. Workman man be looking for my mail. Thanks a bunch...
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10506615 - 06/14/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wooo, can't wait! Did you ever find more of this type?
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#10506636 - 06/14/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: unknown active today [Re: cactu]
#10513647 - 06/15/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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unfortunately i havent had time to make it back out there, its been really hot and dry lately anyways. im going to take a trip out there this weekend for sure so ill keep you posted.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10668925 - 07/13/09 12:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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awaiting workman on his confirmation that he got the sample I sent and hopefully he can figure out what it is. it down poured last night a good 1 to 3 inches in places so ill head out there tomorrow or the next day to check it out again.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10696361 - 07/17/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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so i just got a message from workman last night about the unknown and it turns out its p. atlantis but still a cool find! I have only found a few so i think that is exciting. At any rate he has been trying to cultivate them for awhile so maybe he will have luck with this one...
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10696387 - 07/17/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Still definitely a nice find!
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For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: freemind]
#10698308 - 07/18/09 07:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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freemind said: For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.
For example, Panaeolus cinctulus has a jet black spore sprint while Panaeolus foenisecii has a walnut brown spore print.
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freemind said: For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.
For example, Panaeolus cinctulus has a jet black spore sprint while Panaeolus foenisecii has a walnut brown spore print.
For that reason, some seperate it into the genus panaeolina, not panaeolus.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: freemind]
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freemind said:
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freemind said: For future reference, panaeolus species all have jet black species to the best of my knowledge.
For example, Panaeolus cinctulus has a jet black spore sprint while Panaeolus foenisecii has a walnut brown spore print.
For that reason, some seperate it into the genus panaeolina, not panaeolus.
I'm glad this topic came up again. Alan, if you're reading this, why is it (for example at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolina_foenisecii we have Panaeolina foenisecii listed with the synonym Panaeolus foenisecii? I mean it can't be both scientifically. It has to fall under a specific nomenclature. Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?
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Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?
Mother nature, for being confusing and sloppy. Nature is by no means concerned about making it easy to classify her shit! 
My guess as to why it's synonymus at this point is that the distinction wasn't made at the time foenisecii received their name that it had brown spores. Also their spores are rough, whereas genus Panaeolus has smooth spores.
Brown, rough spores; these are the characteristics that seperate genus Panaeolina from genus Panaeolus.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: freemind]
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Who's complaint line can I call for this stuff?
Mother nature, for being confusing and sloppy. Nature is by no means concerned about making it easy to classify her shit! 
My guess as to why it's synonymus at this point is that the distinction wasn't made at the time foenisecii received their name that it had brown spores. Also their spores are rough, whereas genus Panaeolus has smooth spores.
Brown, rough spores; these are the characteristics that seperate genus Panaeolina from genus Panaeolus.
I'm on the same page; I just think that we need to be able to converse with those who are actually legit enough to classify a species. It seems as though they need more people to help them with the science.
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Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the change already has occured, but everyone is used to calling them panaeolus so it remains synonymous.
I've also wondered why Panaeolus Cyanescens are also referred to as Copelandia. There are tons of discrepancies, I just shrug and live with it. Although may not be the scientific thing to do..
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#10699048 - 07/18/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spore lengths (7.8)9-10.2(11.5) micrometers (39 spores measured)
Spore shape, size and irregularly branched cheilocystidia are a match for Psilocybe atlantis. Abundant clamp connections. The lack of observed pleurocystidia may be due to them being collapsed in the dried specimen or just not present in the preparation. It seems unlikely that they are completely absent but that is possible. Further examination pending. It is not uncommon for a species to be described as lacking pleurocystidia and then later found to have them in abundance.
This specimen may or may not be the same as Lizard King's unknown. If it is the same then it reduces the known collections of Georgia Psilocybe species by one.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#10699644 - 07/18/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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pretty cool workman thanks man, Im gonna get out there tomorrow and see if i can find a few more. I did for sure find a different species last year in the same location I may still have pics but there still could be the unknown out there as well. we shall see...
  think those are the other unknowns i found out at the same spot.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: phishhead]
#11223945 - 10/10/09 10:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah yeah, too bad you didn't save that one. It might be the same as this more recent collection but unless you can collect more, we can't really be sure.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11682623 - 12/19/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cultivated specimens from sample with updated microscopy


First flush mushrooms often with a low annulus which dissapears in later flushes. Sine wave cap margin seems to be a constant with cultivated specimens.
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11682661 - 12/19/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is some amazing work!!!
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11682702 - 12/19/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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good job workman!
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11684088 - 12/20/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice job!
What was the substrate used?
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excellent work. i'm a huge fan. i was just showing off your weilii clusters yesterday.
better camera for christmas..

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think hershey kiss cap, smell/taste more farinaceous and pleasurable than weilii
thinner, longer stipes with the reddish hues and fluccose stem
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Workman
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BlimeyGrimey said: Nice job!
What was the substrate used?
Grass seed.
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dicky21



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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11685998 - 12/20/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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niceeeeee
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Wimy
weiliiinmyyard



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Re: unknown active today [Re: dicky21]
#11686290 - 12/20/09 01:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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also did you find any of the flat psilocybes with the "blue skirts" this year?
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MycOhunter

Registered: 03/05/09
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Re: unknown active today [Re: Workman]
#11686482 - 12/20/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Workman said:
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BlimeyGrimey said: Nice job!
What was the substrate used?
Grass seed.
What species is this?
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Mikael


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Re: unknown active today [Re: MycOhunter]
#11687158 - 12/20/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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MycOhunter said:
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Workman said:
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BlimeyGrimey said: Nice job!
What was the substrate used?
Grass seed.
What species is this?
Psilocybe atlantis: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11681038/fpart/1/vc/1
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