MushroomTrip said:

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A true shaman would just do their thing without any need for recognition.

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Did you read "the book to being a true shaman"? 

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Well hey, medical doctors are renowned for being capable of healing and solving health problems for all sorts of people, and its not like they need to self-identify as a doctor. Its a title they never use themselves and grudgingly accept that usage by others.

I mean, you know how it is, you're walking down the street, and the community can always tell the true doctors from the false ones.

MushroomTrip said:

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A true shaman would just do their thing without any need for recognition.

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Did you read "the book to being a true shaman"? 

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MushroomTrip said:

No, you were avoiding answering my question by saying that you don't need books in order to be sure of something, and that you learned to think for yourself, a statement which is isn't only flawed and stupid in itself, but even more so when you consider that you were attempting to avoid explaining HOW you reached a certain conclusion.
Personally, I could never say that I don't need books in order to know something, and it would be completely stupid of me to think that, only because I read books, I can't have personal opinions or think for myself. In fact, gathering all kinds of knowledge, data, and differing opinions is what raises my level of consciousness and what makes me step out of the pathetic crap called self-importance, where I would foolishly think that I don't need books and information in order to know stuff. Actually, I think that one must think very low of themselves in order to believe that reading a book would jeopardize their ability to think for themselves.

Just to make sure you won't be confused anymore, it was my initial question that was ridiculing your statement, and it had the intention of asking you how the fuck did you reach such an idiotic conclusion, and based on what?

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zen buddy said:

Would you care to explain how you came up with this idiotic conclusion?

Is there some book that you read that can somehow prove that my statement is incorrect? At this point you can either site your reference or admit your hypocrisy.

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Could it be that being so overly-emotional has completely clouded your reasoning and understanding, because only you know what the fuck you're talking about in here?
Why exactly would I need to quote a book that disagrees with your statement, or, if not, admit my "hypocrisy"?
You have made a statement which IMO is completely ridiculous, and I called you on it, several times, with no success because each time you managed to avoid answering how does your statement makes sense. You're the one that make a claim you're supposed to back it up.

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and even if you could find a book that disagrees with me it would not prove that I am wrong. All information contained in books start inside someone's mind.

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fireworks_god said:

MushroomTrip said:

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A true shaman would just do their thing without any need for recognition.

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Did you read "the book to being a true shaman"? 

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Well hey, medical doctors are renowned for being capable of healing and solving health problems for all sorts of people, and its not like they need to self-identify as a doctor. Its a title they never use themselves and grudgingly accept that usage by others.

I mean, you know how it is, you're walking down the street, and the community can always tell the true doctors from the false ones.

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MushroomTrip said:

zen buddy said:

Would you care to explain how you came up with this idiotic conclusion?

Is there some book that you read that can somehow prove that my statement is incorrect? At this point you can either site your reference or admit your hypocrisy.

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Could it be that being so overly-emotional has completely clouded your reasoning and understanding, because only you know what the fuck you're talking about in here?
Why exactly would I need to quote a book that disagrees with your statement, or, if not, admit my "hypocrisy"?
You have made a statement which IMO is completely ridiculous, and I called you on it, several times, with no success because each time you managed to avoid answering how does your statement makes sense. You're the one that make a claim you're supposed to back it up.

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and even if you could find a book that disagrees with me it would not prove that I am wrong. All information contained in books start inside someone's mind.

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Again: I am not trying to prove that your statement is wrong, I am asking you to explain how it is valid. Namely, why should one wait for others to call him shaman, and not proclaim himself as being one? Moreover, on what do you base your understanding of a "real shaman"?

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MushroomTrip said:

So, let's review: I am looking for starting fights, when you're the one that says:

"Are you the Queen mother of the shroomery who never has to explain herself?"

"Either prove your point or shut up."

"Argue the point and avoid the insults or try to admit that your contributions to this forum are more of a disruption than anything else."

How stupid is that?
Also, how hard is it to explain your point already, along with some consistent evidence that shamans do actually exist.
I am not going to take to consideration your menopausal woman comments, and I will consider that you just can't bring any insight into the matter, if next time you will avoid answering my initial question.

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As there is no official school or degree for a shaman, the only people that we can accept as deserving this title are the ones who have the approval of their community. A true shaman does not need recognition in order to do what they do. It is very possible for someone to fulfill the role without wearing the title.

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How can you be sure of what a shaman needs or doesn't? Doesn't it strike you as odd to make such strong appreciations?
I do agree that it is very possible for someone to fulfill a role without wearing the title, but this in no way means that, if one is assuming and self-proclaiming a role, they aren't actually in that role, and that it is all a facade.
What is a real shaman? It is a question that I kept asking you and you refused to answer, saying that I am being a hypocrite, when in fact, by answering this question, you could have explained your POV and why you think a "real" shaman would never speak of themselves as being a shaman.
What makes you think that a shaman wouldn't need recognition? Don't you think it's a logical fallacy to automatically consider someone malevolent and an impostor, simply because they need the appreciation of those around them? How does the first lead to the latter?

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When an individual announces to a room that he or she is a shaman there's a good chance that they are doing this for their own selfish, personal gain.

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If the individual is truly a shaman this fact would become obvious so there would be no need for a shaman to announce what he or she is to the room.

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A shaman plays an important role as a spiritual healer and because there is no degree that someone can present as evidence, it is very true in this case that actions speak louder than words.

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Of course, but this doesn't mean that words are of no value, nor does it mean that, by saying those words, you're becoming a fake shaman.

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In fact, when someone claims to be a shaman before it is obvious they make it more likely that they will never be accepted as a shaman.

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