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possible natural sources of tryptamine
    #1039585 - 11/09/02 10:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

So anyone who's looked around has read many a post that tryptamine has been shown to increase potency by as much as 3 fold. This sounds wondeful but then you realize the price and that you'd be blacklisted up the wazoo. So i did a little search on the matter and found that tomatoes and bannanas are natural sources of tryptamine.
Here are the sources I found:
http://www.sacfs.asn.au/publications/talk/2001/2_jun/amines.htm
http://www.brothercake.com/cooking/cooking.pdf

I have not tried this yet but am willing to give it a shot, I was wondering what people thought about this and if there are things in tomatoes/bannanas that would cause problems. I was thinking about using sundried tomatoes/homemade bannana chips and making a flour like additive to substrates.

What are peoples thoughts?

PS. anyone know if the readily available 5-HTP (used as a mood boosting precursor to seretonin) would work?


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: abeam]
    #1039609 - 11/09/02 10:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of those fruits & veggies go in the raccoons compost.  :wink: 6T  :tongue:


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: abeam]
    #1040387 - 11/10/02 05:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

its lists cheese too, maybe you should try Parmesan.


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: abeam]
    #1040888 - 11/10/02 02:21 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>Maybe you could use parmesian.

Yeah but cheese has a lot of fat and from what I understand that's not good for the little guys


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: abeam]
    #20365237 - 08/02/14 05:24 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Great thread, thank you.

May I please ask, can you find “Tryptamine” itself or Tryptamine derivatives in other foods?

Some more links:
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jmf.2007.514


Also, think about it.
Maybe there are some foods out there, that are plentiful.

Any idea?


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: fluffy clouds]
    #20370359 - 08/03/14 08:34 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I assume you mean Gartz et al. who showed an increase in psilocin vs. psilocybin. I recall an overall increase in potency but also a very low concentration of the latter, so preservation might be a factor. I don't think the concentration would be high enough in those plants and you'd probably risk contamination by adding them (unless the mycelium left no nutritious material behind).

Tryptamine is an inhibitor of tryptophan decarboxylase but I guess it doesn't matter much at that point. I'm assuming a downregulation of a phosphorylase for the difference in psilocin vs. psilocybin.

I don't think 5-HTP would be a good idea. It is also an inhibitor but I'm not sure it would even be converted to tryptamine in situ. So, you might end up with a *decrease* in potency but who knows? Extracting the tryptamine from plant material is probably a pain in the ass. It's reatively easy to get tryptophan and there are several syntheses. The most readily available seems to be using copper or zinc acetate to form a chelate and then basifying. I remember wanting to try this but I never really got around to it.

All told, it would probably work if you use them right away but may not store well.

I'm wondering about these, which are non-inhibitors:

5-Methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
5-Methoxytryptamine
Indole-3-pyruvic acid

I'm just going off my notes here. I pulled that chart off somewhere (I think the Lycaeum) but had saved the papers and couldn't find it again to cite at the time.

Adding tryptophan might also produce some increase but not as much due to the resulting downregulation of the decarboxylase (which is what turns it into trytamine).


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: micro]
    #20370479 - 08/03/14 08:57 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Hello,

Thank You very much for the reply.
But may I please ask you, lets say you buy 5-Methoxytryptamine 97%. (now this it comes with all the warnings) like you have to wear special suits and protection. But what do you call that? As in, what do you have to convert/change the product into a useable product?

So lets say you buy 5-Methoxytryptamine 97%. What's the process called to turn that into a useable 5-Methoxytryptamine?

thanks.


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: fluffy clouds]
    #20370658 - 08/03/14 09:32 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I was hoping it would somehow get converted in situ. I have no idea if this is the case. Taking a glance at the MSDS it doesn't appear to be that toxic (if at all) but I would use caution. I was curious more from an academic rather than practical perspective.


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: micro]
    #20370875 - 08/03/14 10:31 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

micro said:
I was hoping it would somehow get converted in situ. I have no idea if this is the case. Taking a glance at the MSDS it doesn't appear to be that toxic (if at all) but I would use caution. I was curious more from an academic rather than practical perspective.



Hello there,


Yes I fully know that taking a pure product is completely tosic and completely beyonf crazy.



BUT When you buy a compound,  tHAT YOU CAN't use orally or ny route in the human body, BUYT instead you must prepare it or something, so you turn it from devil


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: fluffy clouds]
    #20370877 - 08/03/14 10:31 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

???
SORRY I say that you turn it from somtethning you know that you buy online to a compund you can use n the human body

ok thanks


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: fluffy clouds]
    #20371031 - 08/03/14 11:17 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I didn't men actually consuming the stuff.

I'm curious if adding it to the substrate would have similar effects on potency.

This depends whether the fugus will convert it to tryptamine.


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: micro]
    #20372000 - 08/04/14 09:11 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Not true. There's evidence of the absorbtion of tryptamine. I even believe there was another study using tagged tryptamine that showed some of the absorbed tryptamine was used to create psilocybin. There's no evidence that it actually increases the total amount of psilocybin or psilocin produced.


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: Kizzle]
    #20372075 - 08/04/14 09:47 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)



As you can see, the Cheese 'Roquefort' can have 0-160mg of Tryptamine.


Edited by fluffy clouds (08/04/14 09:48 AM)


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Re: possible natural sources of tryptamine [Re: fluffy clouds]
    #20372632 - 08/04/14 01:19 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

From what I've read no one has been able to recreate claims of increased potency.
The general consensus is that there's nothing that can be added to the substrate to increase potency.

When dealing with dried fruits it would seem that trying to increase the phosphorylation from psilocin into psilocybin is as important if not more important than trying to feed it raw material.  Afterall even if you can increase psilocin content, drying just destroys all that hard work.


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